Odin
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Mar 10, 2009 19:35:20 GMT
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Weight is a consideration yes, that is one of the reason I am not 100% on XE, a bit heavy. I do not want to have to do much fettling at all. If an engine needs head work, forged pistons etc. to make it reliable at 200bhp I would be less interested. My old man had an 800 Vitesse with the T series Turbo, seems like an option. They're pretty weighty though aren't they? There can't be much in it, it's an iron block alloy-head four pot like your Sprint motor. Pretty much anything you put in besides an all-alloy N/A lump won't be lighter but you will have lots more power, which is surely the point....
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RobinJI
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"Driven by the irony that only being shackled to the road could ever I be free"
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Mar 10, 2009 19:47:59 GMT
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...in fact i'd like to see if anything could be done with the VR6 engine mounted longtidudily Apparently a porsche 924 box will let most of the VAG engines be used longitudally, although the VR6 is a heavy lump, probably better of with a 1.8 20vt, they'll run on into the 200000's happily, and are good for well over 200bhp standard if you pick the right ones. Although there is probably cheaper options.
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Last Edit: Mar 10, 2009 19:48:47 GMT by RobinJI
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Mar 17, 2009 11:33:26 GMT
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Been doing a little more research into this, thanks for all initial suggestions. Duratec would be the preference but too expensive it seems. Honda S2000 with 6 spd box would be interesting too but again, too expensive. Short list at the moment is actually the Turbo's - C20LET (Calibra Turbo) and Cosworth YB. Both 200bhp in standard form, tried and tested, easy and plentiful gearbox options. Does anyone know which of these 2 would be the lighter? I think it would be the YB, if it had the lighter 200 block but info is not exactly black and white. Any thoughts? Cheers
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Ghost
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Mar 17, 2009 11:55:37 GMT
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If weight is an issue - wouldn't you be best going for a tuned alloy-block 4-pot, rather than a forced induction iron block that makes 200hp standard?
A Toyota 2zzge makes 189hp standard, 200 with a little fettling, and would be substantially lighter than an iron block, alloy head turbo motor (with associated cast iron exhaust manifold, turbo, IC etc etc).
Similar alloy-block Duratecs etc would also be on my list I think.
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Mar 17, 2009 12:26:35 GMT
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what about an rx7 turbo cant get smaller
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97 volvo 940 turbo wagon 87 fiat strada abarth 78 gs1000 82 katana 1100 84 gsx1100 efe
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Mar 17, 2009 12:26:32 GMT
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Mmm 200bhp in a Toledo would be rapiiiiiiid Just a thought - how about the engine & 6 speed box from a Toyota Altezza RS200 (the J spec Lexus IS200) 210bhp from a N/A 2L! Finding one for sale could be an issue.... & I have no idea of the practicalities of fitting it in the engine bay of the Triumph?
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Mar 17, 2009 13:55:27 GMT
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Definitely interested in an all alloy engine. Just can't seem to find much info on using J engines in RWD cars? I will start looking.... I am interested in the right power without having to open the engine up though. As soon as you start talking, forged pistons, steel crank, high lift cams etc. in my experience, that is when the money soon dissappears. I have a 240bhp K series in something even lighter but £££££'s. 190bhp from an alloy engine is probably preferable to 200bhp from an iron block you are right when you look at power to weight. Thanks guys, I'll keep going....
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Mar 17, 2009 13:57:32 GMT
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If weight is an issue - wouldn't you be best going for a tuned alloy-block 4-pot, rather than a forced induction iron block that makes 200hp standard? A Toyota 2zzge makes 189hp standard, 200 with a little fettling, and would be substantially lighter than an iron block, alloy head turbo motor (with associated cast iron exhaust manifold, turbo, IC etc etc). Similar alloy-block Duratecs etc would also be on my list I think. Like I said, duratec top of the list but for the cost to get one on TB's etc. I will look into the Toyota engine, cheers.
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Mar 17, 2009 16:02:03 GMT
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I've covered this in some detail Saab 99 turbo - always talked about, never tried. Suspect the turbo & manifold would clash with the inner body panels and various other bits on the Dolly (as the engine is installed backwards in a Saab). Again, wouldn't be worth the effort as there are much better engines to put in it's place..... 9 A post -94 9000 motor is the only option really as that easily mates to GM RWD boxes. 99 turbo motor is mentioned alot, but due to the unconventional gearbox/sump design it's a non starter really (unless you fancy dropping the whole lot in a FWD dolly or fabricating a sump, then there's the question of if it hooks to a triumph box, it might...) and of course the bodywork issues... Interestingly the 99 gearbox is loosely based on the original triumph fwd 1300.....
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Last Edit: Mar 17, 2009 16:25:22 GMT by chrissyb
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Mar 17, 2009 19:16:06 GMT
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what about an rx7 turbo cant get smaller ^this. 13bt ftw!
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topi
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Mar 17, 2009 19:20:08 GMT
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If it were me, I'd put a 20v 4AGE lump in there. You can buy a reconned engine for 600quid, a gearbox for 200 and you've got 170bhp at mega RPM. It's also reliable, tiny, and sounds the absalute tets with its standard ITBs and stupid revvyness.
It's not all about power, it's how it picks up in my opinion. I had a C20XE in my Opel Kadett, but my standard 4AGE Corolla drives so much better because it revs alot nicer.
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Mar 17, 2009 19:25:58 GMT
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what about an rx7 turbo cant get smaller ^this. 13bt ftw! A wankel!?
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Mar 17, 2009 20:07:33 GMT
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i said that small light and very tunable
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97 volvo 940 turbo wagon 87 fiat strada abarth 78 gs1000 82 katana 1100 84 gsx1100 efe
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Mar 17, 2009 21:01:28 GMT
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3s-GTE from an MR2 or GT4 (try to get a ST205 or Revision3 MR2). But I am liking the idea of a Mazda wankel rotary turbo.
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Mar 17, 2009 21:30:11 GMT
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I was just gonn apipe up with Wankel For pure power and weight I doubt you can find something better than the balls-out insanity of a rotary engine. Small - check Light - check can get silly power - check I have considered a rotary for the Cedric but I'm too in love with the 6-pot
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350
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namless
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don't stone me... red block from a volvo 940GLE 2.3 comes to around 189 bhp. cheap solid engines. heavy its not heavy
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Last Edit: Mar 18, 2009 1:53:56 GMT by namless
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