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There is a brown 240 forsale opposite my house if you need one for inspiration complete with beige interior !!! I went today.. took a couple quick pics. It's a full on povo spec DL. I loved it.. £195 but no tax or test. It looked solid (I had a peek underneath) but without looking properly it's hard to tell if it's a good'n or not. I have a feeling it might be though. I got the number if anyone is interested.. Did you see me, bodgeit? I'm sure I saw curtains twitching..
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Volvo themselves started to put the spoiler on the 240 model because they saw that it actually did a quite good job to cut down the horrifying fuel consumption on the early 240s (but raised compression and a fan with a coupling was also stuff that was done to get it down)... There IS spoilers available for the commando bumpers too, however. Besides, I think that a 240 without a spoiler looks "empty", but that's just my opinion... You can grind away the lip and weld the panels together, that's just done as the simplest way to join two panels... BTW, the car in the last pic has the correct panel between bonnet and windscreen, the one that you're looking for. So now you know what it is supposed to look like. Did the DL models come with the ducknose bonnet in the UK? They always had the flat one in sweden...well, until 1986 of course but that's a different story...
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Volvo themselves started to put the spoiler on the 240 model because they saw that it actually did a quite good job to cut down the horrifying fuel consumption on the early 240s (but raised compression and a fan with a coupling was also stuff that was done to get it down)... There IS spoilers available for the commando bumpers too, however. Besides, I think that a 240 without a spoiler looks "empty", but that's just my opinion... I'll keep an eye out for a correct spoiler then, but for now, I'll be utilising whatever is lying about in the garage Marvelous, I hoped that that was the case I didn't notice, just saw it wasn't flat and looked around the rest of it.. Thanks, I'll have another look next time I go past. I wouldn't have a clue but I quoted the rest of your post so did this bit as well for the sake of completeness ;D Thanks again for throwing your knowledge in for me to try to absorb
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Looking really good Ben. I reckon we need to let Alan loose with the welder to fill up all the holes.......then a few minutes with the flap disc to smooth back, some last minute rubbing down and some satin black......JOB DONE!! Will prob give you a call a bit later regarding 'operation Eurotrash' Ooh, I just realised.. your rubbing down, filling and satin blacking was about the bumpers not the bodywork.. welding won't work because they're ali.. The holes are fine I reckon though; may I bring your attention to the inspiration pic... I may need to smile sweetly at Alan for welding up some trim holes in the bodywork though, and maybe removing that weird lip... Does he respond well to sweet smiles? You can weld ali mate, just need the right people and kit. Have a chat with Ashley T, his dad has the kit and guy to do it.
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Volvo544Special65, I just thought of a question I was wandering about earlier today.. Whilst I know that the wings and sidelights/DRLs/indicators aren't correct for the earlier, round headlamp front end, what with the light going sort of further around the wing, do you know if the rest of it would bolt up in place without leaving gaps where I've stylishly added red lines on one of your images? Obviously with a flat bonnet as well. I'm just trying to think around parts availability if I get stuck at all
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Ooh, I just realised.. your rubbing down, filling and satin blacking was about the bumpers not the bodywork.. welding won't work because they're ali.. The holes are fine I reckon though; may I bring your attention to the inspiration pic... I may need to smile sweetly at Alan for welding up some trim holes in the bodywork though, and maybe removing that weird lip... Does he respond well to sweet smiles? You can weld ali mate, just need the right people and kit. Have a chat with Ashley T, his dad has the kit and guy to do it. That would have been the stumbling point, knowing someone that can do it.. I didn't think of asking T, thanks for the pointer
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Ha! I did notice someone having a look at it but didn't really take much notice of it! i'm sooooo temted to buy it, as you know i have no probs owning a brown car!!! it would look so sweet dropped 6" with some banded steelies beige interior FTW Matt
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'Simplify and add lightness'
'To add speed, add lightness'
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It looks good too, swap the good bits and chopped coils from the white one onto the brown one, sell the white one on again as an MOTd stock 240. Everyone's a winner and you get an even cooler Volvo for free by the time you punt on the white one..
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Volvo544Special65, I just thought of a question I was wandering about earlier today.. Whilst I know that the wings and sidelights/DRLs/indicators aren't correct for the earlier, round headlamp front end, what with the light going sort of further around the wing, do you know if the rest of it would bolt up in place without leaving gaps where I've stylishly added red lines on one of your images? Obviously with a flat bonnet as well. I'm just trying to think around parts availability if I get stuck at all Good question. It is not a straight swap. Your type of front end have the indicators mounted to the headlamps, while the older style have them bolted into the wings. However... In the 80s and 90s in Sweden, a 80 or 90s model 240 were HOT. A 70s model 240 were NOT. But at the same time, the later US style headlamps, quad rectangular type were another hot modification to the 240-series. And those cars ALWAYS had the early type of wings... So some people tried to combine the best of two worlds... That would teoretically make it possible to use the later type of wings with the round headlamps too, but I've never seen it done. It is not a straight swap, but probably possible. If it would look good or not, is another question though.
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Volvo544Special65, I just thought of a question I was wandering about earlier today.. Whilst I know that the wings and sidelights/DRLs/indicators aren't correct for the earlier, round headlamp front end, what with the light going sort of further around the wing, do you know if the rest of it would bolt up in place without leaving gaps where I've stylishly added red lines on one of your images? Obviously with a flat bonnet as well. I'm just trying to think around parts availability if I get stuck at all Good question. It is not a straight swap. Your type of front end have the indicators mounted to the headlamps, while the older style have them bolted into the wings. However... In the 80s and 90s in Sweden, a 80 or 90s model 240 were HOT. A 70s model 240 were NOT. But at the same time, the later US style headlamps, quad rectangular type were another hot modification to the 240-series. And those cars ALWAYS had the early type of wings... So some people tried to combine the best of two worlds... That would teoretically make it possible to use the later type of wings with the round headlamps too, but I've never seen it done. It is not a straight swap, but probably possible. If it would look good or not, is another question though. So to paraphrase, 'it's probably doable but it would look gash' ;D Sorry to keep asking.. but what about, for example the wings of a car with a flat bonnet but rectangular headlights? An early 80s car for example? Are they more inkeeping like the early wings or the later ones? I reckon the early by looking at them but I'm not sure. I never noticed how much this car evolved until I owned one.. ;D
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Basically, there's two types of 240 wings. The first model is available between 1975 and 80. The second model between 1981 and 1993. That facelift, with the bigger indicators, also introduced the headlamps that would be used until the last 240 in 1993. Then, there's some small changes in side trim, side repeaters on some etc... But nothing that a welder and/or a drill can't fix in a few minutes. But the basic wing is the same. You know the row of pictures with different headlamps I posted earlier? All those types does share the same wings. Plus this And this (the later types used only in USA, which kept the old wings until 1985 and didn't adopt the new wings and headlamps until 1986) It is only this model of headlamps that are using the new wings, and, ONLY the new wings: The light blue car with square quadlights and new style wings are of course a bit of custom work, Volvo never sold a car with that combination.
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So, just to confirm (if you don't mind me asking?) we are looking for wings where the indicators are raked forwards towards the bottom (as opposed to the later ones raking backwards at the bottom), the flatter bonnet without the 'bullnose' at the grille, flatter scuttle panel (needs cutting/welding to remove/fit), wider flat grille and recessed single round headlamp surrounds. Sorry if I am repeating any/all the info given before, but I am just trying to finalise the actual parts that we'll need to try and source.....more for my benefit because I'm also trying to look for these parts on behalf of Ben so just trying to get a clear understanding of what I need to look out for. Many thanks again for all your help and advice on this Bruce. P.S. I assume that thte spoiler in 'the' picture is a genuine Volvo item?
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Yes, that pretty much sums it up. AND, the panels behind the grille etc. where the lights and stuff are mounted, from a pre 1981 car. And headlamp brackets for the round units... The headlamps themselves are probably still available new from Volvo if you can't find them in the UK... It would of course be the best to have proper RHD ones...
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Yes, that pretty much sums it up. AND, the panels behind the grille etc. where the lights and stuff are mounted, from a pre 1981 car. And headlamp brackets for the round units... The headlamps themselves are probably still available new from Volvo if you can't find them in the UK... It would of course be the best to have proper RHD ones... AND the panel beneath the headlights because Joe bent the old one when he crashed it.. though that's repairable if we don't find one/forget.. Thanks again for your help! Bruce, still sound like a plan? Looks like it will be best to find a whole car in a scrappy from which to take the vast majority of a front end since there's all the bits behind the headlights and grille that we need to make sure we get as well. I like a challenge
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I'll be buggered if I know how he did it, but Mysterymachine has managed to pursuade the owner of the car below to swap the wings, lights, lightsurrounds etc for parts from my Volvo, plus a nominal fee. And he has offered to pick them up for me. If he wasn't miles away I could almost kiss him ;D Before anyone says anything about it being too good to be saved, I know, I thought that as well, but parts from it are going to a good cause and it sounds like it will go out with a bang What we need to figure out is the panels below and behind the headlamps because I'm not sure whether they're welded in place, or bolted. Here's hoping for bolted for an easy swap It's taken 8 pages of rambling, banter and knowledge gathering, but this is going to be AWESOME ;D
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this is going to be AWESOME ;D Darn straight! He isnt MOTM for no reason you know!
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Everything is bolted - they may have just a few spotwelds sometimes, probably only to fix them to each other at the factory or something like that. They are quick to get rid of...
The only welded panel you need is the one between bonnet and windscreen.
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Last Edit: Nov 4, 2009 21:16:18 GMT by Knugcab
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Everything is bolted - they may have just a few spotwelds sometimes, probably only to fix them to each other at the factory or something like that. They are quick to get rid of... The only welded panel you need is the one between bonnet and windscreen. I was hoping you'd say that Should you ever come to the UK, I most definitely owe you a some beers. Please don't present me with an invoice for your time though, I fear I may be too skint to repay you ;D
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[homer mode]Mmmm..... Beeeeer.... mmmm... [/homer mode]
Actually, some months ago I was seriously thinking if I should go away to see the UK sometime... The problem is that it would just be an expensive way to commit suicide with me trying left hand traffic... ;D
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Last Edit: Nov 4, 2009 22:20:05 GMT by Knugcab
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[homer mode]Mmmm..... Beeeeer.... mmmm... [/homer mode] Actually, some months ago I was seriously thinking if I should go away to see the UK sometime... The problem is that it would just be an expensive way to commit suicide with me trying left hand traffic... ;D Come to Somerset, it's an easy way to start. The roads are narrow enough it won't make much difference anyway
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