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Sept 30, 2009 17:19:26 GMT
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After running a '95 Peugeot for about 4 years without any maintenance costs really except for usual wear and tear things, I splashed out on a 2000 HDI 306. The car was great to drive but over 2 years cost me well over £1000 in repairs (alternator x 2, fuel pump, auxilary belt damper, abs bits etc) before the (recently fitted) cambelt slipped and the car blew up.
For the past year I've run a '97 rover diesel with 150k on the clock which has never let me down and only cost £150 to get it through the last MOT.
After my experience with the HDI car I've asked more of my friends running newer cars about their repair bills and have heard loads of horror stories of massive repair bills etc.
So my current plan is to run pre 2000 cars for as long as I can!
Basically I was wondering whether anyone here has had similar experiences with newer cars, are they actually less reliable? And are massive repair bills commonplace? discuss...
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If at first you don't succeed........ ....Don't try skydiving!
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Nathan
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Sept 30, 2009 17:36:01 GMT
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I would not like to calculate what my Daily (Modern) costs me per yer, considering I do well over 15k miles per year and go through a set of tyres too LOL.
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Seth
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Sept 30, 2009 17:43:53 GMT
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Old daily = 10 years In my opinion anything newer than about 1980 ought to be perfectly capable as a daily driver in modern road conditions. Obviously you're not likely to want to run up and down the motorways in a sub 1 litre Fiat Panda but there is likely something that would suit any commute.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Sept 30, 2009 17:46:45 GMT
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i'd even move Seths 80's back to the 70's for a lot of cars but the 80's cars got a lot cheaper to run as everything went fuel injected.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Mark
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Sept 30, 2009 17:48:39 GMT
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I've been fortunate to have company cars for most of the last 3 years (since i left uni).
all have been less than 3 years old and nearly all have gone wrong. I do highish mileage - 50k mls/year so I suppose it's to be expected.
The Navara was the most reliable, no problems at all but then a nice lady wrote it off for me. The worst was a new 09 Santa Fe which went wrong 3 times - no brakes, oil cooler broke down inside and something else to do with warning lights. This all happened within 15000miles.
Now driving an 08 Saab and haven't had any issues.
I did have a 03 530d for 6 months which I ran myself. Maintenance came to about £1000 for the 20000miles I did. It did 50mpg, handled and drove beautifully. I would have happily spent 5k/year to keep it on the road rather than daily in something less suitable to my mileage!
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Seth
South East
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Sept 30, 2009 17:54:10 GMT
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i'd even move Seths 80's back to the 70's for a lot of cars but the 80's cars got a lot cheaper to run as everything went fuel injected. Well, yes, you can use '50s (or even older) cars daily but for most people I suspect '80's would be were the "easy/comfy/convenient" etc limit kicks in. Parts may be more difficult to get the further back you go and garage servicing perhaps a bit more specialist. Personally I have no idea how people can afford to run moderns.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Sept 30, 2009 17:54:17 GMT
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not spent anything on running costs for the golf other than petrol so far and that's around 40+mpg so I'm happy with that the golf is a 91 H mate runs a 57 plate TDI golf and it cost him a fortune in parts servicing and it ain't much better than mine on fuel .
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Sept 30, 2009 17:57:54 GMT
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my daily is a 1990 polo 1043 cc of raw power and 5 gears... does 30miles a day on the motorway and some trafic at the end and still only costs a tenner a week to run.... everything is available for em either at gsf or my shed.. but so far nothing has gone wrong... at all.. and in the six months ive had it ive put 5000miles on it...
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Sept 30, 2009 18:05:03 GMT
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TBH it just depends on your luck. Modern diesel pumps that are coded through the ECU are a PITA. Just look how many vectra`s, astra`s, focus`s, mondeo`s etc are for sale on ebay only needing a fuel pump . The software is becoming available so they don't need to be set up by the manufacturers but the people who buy the software have got to re-coup their costs somehow. I`ve ran a 406 HDi for the last 2 year (well my wife has). Probably shouldnt tempt fate but so far it has needed nothing other than routine servicing, it gets 50mpg and I have done a number of 800+mile in a day road trips with no problems. Regular filter changes help but its not guaranteed to extend the life. Once they get above 100K they are on borrowed time. Parts prices theirselves arent bad its the associated bits. For example on a pinto engine a cambelt change is just that, a cambelt. On a HDI, its good practice to not just replace the cam belt, but the pulleys and tensioners and water pump, and crankshaft dampers (cos they don't last very long anymore). While your on you are as well replacing the alternator belt and its pulleys. Your looking at £200 in parts if your going to do it yourself Plus the fact they are supposed to have the tension set with a Peugeot Tens meter I bought a 52 reg 306 diesel a few month ago advertised with a snapped camshaft. Just a NA diesel not a HDI. The cause of the snapped cam belt was the alternator belt had started to shred. That then got behind the crank pulley wrapped round the crank sprocket, the timing belt slipped, valves hit pistons, smashed the camshaft sprocket, the cam shaft snapped in three places, it sheared the lugs of the camshaft driven brake pump and bent the bolts holding the idler pulleys to the block. All that for a £10 belt. don't get me started on dual mass flywheels ;D
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Sept 30, 2009 18:23:00 GMT
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not spent anything on running costs for the golf other than petrol so far and that's around 40+mpg so I'm happy with that the golf is a 91 H mate runs a 57 plate TDI golf and it cost him a fortune in parts servicing and it ain't much better than mine on fuel . what cc is that? (your 91) ?? sounds good mpg wise
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Sept 30, 2009 18:35:12 GMT
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The panda costs around £200 a year for servicing/parts (some years more, other years much less), it still runs perfectly (cvt doesnt like reverse though), and I still get 54 mpg. I have driven the car all over the country (Scotland, RRG08, norfolk, cumbria, etc), and it sticks at 70 easily. Other plus points are things like - £60 for a set of tyres inc fitting, £45 for a timing belt inc fitting, and £14 for a pair of discs (obviously not including fitting ;D) Imagine trying to get similar prices from a modern
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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RetroMat
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Sept 30, 2009 18:36:11 GMT
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I've never run anything post 89 as a daily, and those i have run have been J-hatchbacks. I've just spent £60 on bits to get my mazda through its mot, including shocks, wheel cylinder, flexy hoses and a tiny spot of welding and some other junk. so £60 + £40 for mot = £100 for another years reliable motoring. I have mates who happily spend £400 on stuff to get their 02 plate pug through an mot Ill take the old j-tat every time ;D
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Sept 30, 2009 19:14:32 GMT
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My modern company cars over the last 6 years have given me nothing but bother tbh
too fragile.
Ran an MGBGT for a few years and that was really reliable. Only issues were a cracked fanymould come MOT time, some dodgy propshaft bearings and a new water pump. All in all cheep considering it got sold for more money that it was bought for!
It is all a lottery though. My mum has a 2001 hyndai elantra and from new, that has needed nothing more than tyres and brakes. Ironically she HATES the car, and has been waiting for it to break so she can get rid, but so far it hasn't even skipped a beat! lol
Lewis
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Sept 30, 2009 19:34:33 GMT
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newest car ive ever had was an 84 horizon in 92
not had car as new since ive never seen the point
ran motorcycles from new the last 10 years
new honda in 03 did 25k in 18 months - all pleasure as only live 2 miles from work and apart from pads and oil and tyres they cost nowt
would not do that with a modern - timing belts ftl - electronics ftl
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Last Edit: Sept 30, 2009 19:39:00 GMT by hairnet
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Sept 30, 2009 20:05:29 GMT
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I had a 2003 L200 Warrior for 1 year. Done 20k miles and got a cracked block. £2k fixing that!. Had a 2004 one last year and it had big end failure! End result new engine and £3500 lighter!
At same time ran a fiesta courier kombi followed by my pilot bus. Total repairs in 40k miles £150! I'm converting to retro!
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dclane
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Sept 30, 2009 20:08:51 GMT
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I moved up to a '06 Saab convertible from my '97 9000 this year. The reason; I won £12.5k on a competition on This Morning and SWMBO suggested I use it to pay off the mortgage!
The 9000 was incredibly reliable - 20k miles in a year without an issue. And until this year I've run everything from a 1973 Saab 99 through to a Pug 309 and an Escort Mk3 estate for 5 years. Nothing cost me more than £200 a year for MOT repairs.
By contrast I seem to pay £500-600 for the wife's Zafira to get through and she only drives it occasionally!
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Current vehicle collection: 2006 Saab 9-3 Aero convertible - in mid-life crisis yellow No new retro as yet ... all attempts to sneak one onto the drive have failed.
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stealthstylz
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Sept 30, 2009 20:49:42 GMT
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my daily is a 1990 polo 1043 cc of raw power and 5 gears... does 30miles a day on the motorway and some trafic at the end and still only costs a tenner a week to run.... everything is available for em either at gsf or my shed.. but so far nothing has gone wrong... at all.. and in the six months ive had it ive put 5000miles on it... Thats surely a slight exaggeration! Works out at about 100mpg lol. To keep the Carlton on the road maintenance wise as standard has so far cost me about £15. It does about 27mpg around town and high 30s/low 40s on a steady motorway run. Matt
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harris66
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drive it, break it, fix it and make it quicker!
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Sept 30, 2009 20:55:38 GMT
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for the last 2 years ive had vauxhall omegas for daily users, both ive had have been 2.5 v6 jobbies, the 1st i bought for 100 gbp, mot it, it passed and i used it for a yr without spending any on it, my 2nd is the 1 i have now, cost me 400 gbp, is an estate, air con, leccy seats, had it 6 months and cost me a set of front pads and thats it, bit heavy on fuel but i love em
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1.2 corsa daily, 1.8t a4 avante, 6.3ltr austin a40....
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Sept 30, 2009 22:00:37 GMT
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I ran a '02 Citroen C5 HDi from 2005 - 08 and it cost me nothing except annual servicing (but that was about £200 - 300 a time), tyres, pads, and an exhaust middle section. It was 100% reliable, comfortable and drove well at either pottering about mode or when asked to, more 'enthusiastically'. But it cost me £250 a month on finance and £800 a year on insurance. For the last year and a bit I have driven a 1988 Volvo 740 which cost me £300 to buy and £200 fully comp insurance and apart from servicing, at about £100 a time from the Volvo specialist guy who has looked after it for the last 20 years, it has cost me one set of pads and one set of tyres. I have done 9,000 miles in the Volvo. It drives like an old Volvo but still kicks down when asked and covers the ground.
Pence per mile, the Volvo is way cheaper. But it is a shed. By the time I moved the Citroen on, it was worth about £2000, but cost me quadruple that .... so it cost me about £3000 a year where as the Volvo has cost me about £600 a year. One was quiet and comfortable and suited my job ... the other is noisy and sort of comfy and looks a disgrace in the car park!
The plus side is, I now also have a Capri in the garage and two Land Rovers to play with so it is worth the shame of driving a shed!!!! Or it will be, if I can get them all working!!!
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Last Edit: Sept 30, 2009 22:06:29 GMT by speedbird
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Well, speaking from a perspective of long-term car ownership, I could use our 1990 Nissan Pintara TR.X as an example, as my dad bought it new. It's a beautiful car, but maintenance started to get expensive once it got to about 16 years of age. We would probably spend about A$1000 a year in the workshop now. In the last few years it had to have all the exhaust manifold studs helicoiled and the manifold re-faced, new brakes, new clutch master cylinder and a bunch of other things. Nissan fuel pumps seem to be good for about 8 years before the brushes go, in my experience. All in all, it probably would've been cheaper to sell it when it got to 15 and buy something 5 years old, but it still drives better than most new cars and we love it, so it's here to stay.
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