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I'm thinking since the S4 went to pastures new and I'm running just the van now I could do with a nice comfy big cruiser and what keeps popping to mind are these older Range Rovers with the nice big engine conversions. anyone got any info on what they are usually fitted to? love the idea of a early sport or vogue but with a decent diesel engine under the bonnet    Would be very cool to VIP a nice old vogue |
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Last Edit: Jan 3, 2010 21:20:42 GMT by mortcars
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In the days before the Land-Rover 200TDi became an affordable conversion propsition there were dozens of firms offering conversions, from uber-agricultural stuff like the venerable Perkins 4.203 to the GM 6.5 turbodiesel V8. I had an '82 Range Rover with a Nissan RD28T six-pot TD out of a Y60 Patrol fitted to it. I think mine was done at in Wales in a barn, but mainly the Nissan conversion was done by Samurai. Can't be sure though and like a lot of the conversion specialists from back then they're long-gone now.
The Nissan lump developed slightly more power/torque than a 200/300TDi but was much more economical, with 35mpg possible if you took it steady, and 30 if you gunned it everywhere. Mine had the old RR 4-speed with an overdrive fitted, and was great fun to drive, if you were dextrous with all three gearlevers (main/hi-lo/overdrive) you could make it sound like an American big rig. ;D
The downside was that the conversion wreaked havoc on standard RR transmission components. The box was on its way out when I sold mine in early 2007, the next owner did a LOT of offroad work with it and went through three gearboxes in a year. Having said that if it's for road use you wouldn't be subjecting the driveline to anywhere near the same stress.
Best bet is one of the specialist Land Rover forums, or somewhere like Difflock.
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Last Edit: Jan 3, 2010 10:05:25 GMT by briandamaged
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my mates got a short wheelbase landy with an isuzu diesel lump under the bonnet,goes really well,the only problems hes had with it are the electrics keep failing where whoever did the conversion just bodged the wiring/loom together
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don't be frightened of the VM diesel powered Rangeys, they are not as bad as everyone says, a bit underpowered but even the more pokey diesels are not fast so your not losing anything and they are cheap to buy, if it looked after an old VM should last forever, its people bodging them thats the problem, not the engine itself.
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My mate had a Nissan RD28T engined 90 which he loved. More economical and powerful than the 200TDi and usually more reliable. Unfortunately for him he blew the turbo, spent £700 replacing it with a recon unit, broke the gearbox, again bought and fitted a recon unit, and then it was stolen never to be seen again....  |
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I've done quite a lot of work on a 90 fitted with an n/a 3.5 Nissan diesel engine (you know who it belongs to Adam  ) has more torque than you could ever feasibly use and sounds great for a diesel but it's popped one gearbox and the propshaft UJ's which I have replaced and it seems to be wearing out the splines on the hubs now as it's run out of things to break, this would make me worried about the drivetrain stress on something heavier like a Rangie, unless you have a light right foot and lots of mechanical sympathy... I'd love to find some decent TD conversions for my P38 something like a modern common rail Audi V6 Tdi would be perfect, the standard diesel in the P38 (shared with the scorpio I believe) is quite slow in 2.2 tons of car and not economical enough to make living with it bearable..... |
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Last Edit: Jan 3, 2010 11:49:53 GMT by 10mpg
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...the standard diesel in the P38 (shared with the scorpio I believe) is quite slow in 2.2 tons of car and not economical enough to make living with it bearable..... BMW straight-six, also used in early Omegas. Bolting it to a slushbox didn't help things... ;D Comfy motors, though - a mate has a '98 version and me likey  |
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don't be frightened of the VM diesel powered Rangeys, they are not as bad as everyone says, a bit underpowered but even the more pokey diesels are not fast so your not losing anything and they are cheap to buy, if it looked after an old VM should last forever, its people bodging them thats the problem, not the engine itself. Autocar rated it quite well when they tested it, it isn't that much slower than a V8. If the 2.4 goes pop I guess you could fit a later 2.5 which is a good bit more powerful. |
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I've done quite a lot of work on a 90 fitted with an n/a 3.5 Nissan diesel engine (you know who it belongs to Adam ) Has it always had a nissan engine since Nick's owned it (i assume it's Nick's...)? Didn't know that! |
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Yeah that 90's had that Nissan lump fitted as long as he's owned it, not a bad old bus now but it needed a LOT of work to get it the way it is now and it still needs plenty!
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just been on the dreaded bay of e and there are a few nice looking cars on there and some even with LPG.
any ideas what kind of economy id get out of the 3.9 efi with LPG?
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'15 VW Caddy Maxi Kombi 1.6TDi
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mine was doing about 15mpg, i only used it for about 3 weeks though, it had a good set up on it with seperate controllers for both banks of cylinders, it would start on gas if you wanted it to even in the cold, but it was designed to start on petrol and then it swopped to gas at 1500rpm if you left it on auto, no noticable difference in perfomance that i could see, bloody great 60 litre tank in the back though, pretty much ruined it as an estate car. I've sold the engine, box and gas set up now as i have an evil plan for the Rangey, they must be popular as it sold pretty darn quick at the price i paid for the whole vehicle.  |
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yeah my old 3.5 classic on gas with a single point lambda controlled system managed between 15-18mpg on gas..
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Have sniff around this site. www.aulro.com/afvb/The Aussies had factory fitted Isuzu diesels to 110's and a few have ended up in Range Rovers and Discoverys. They are masters at diesel swaps. Good luck Adrian |
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This was my old Range Rover Classic (sadly now broken for parts after a slight accident involving a barrel roll) ;   I fitted LPG to it when I built it, ran very well and was cheap engh to run. That was 3 years ago now though. I have a Discovery running LPG, i can normaly manage about 150 miles on £20 but haven't bothered to work out the MPG. I've driven 200, 300 and VM fitted Range Rovers and they are slow compared to the V8's with little difference in running costs compared with LPG. If you're going to look at a Range Rover then the biggest issue is rust, especially inner wings at front, bottom of A post, top of windscreen (if sunroof fitted), sills, rear wheel arch, boot floor and rear body Xmember. It's also worth considering one of the last models with the revised dashboard (softdash models). These also had air suspension and a few other toys fitted. |
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Having owned an LPG powered Classic and now an Isuzu powered Classic I thought I'd better chip in my experiences As others have said the LPG option will get you MPG figures firmly in the teens. Mine was an 89 Vogue SE with most of the problems mentioned already and a few more. As I don't like having to drive at a certain speed because of fuel consumption worries, so I drove mine like I would any other car... Booted it when I wanted, cruised at slightly illegal speeds on the motorway and used it for towing. I averaged 11mpg on LPG  That was with a new front end on the system and full service of the rest, with twin underslung tanks it gave me a range of no more than 120 miles. I do a lot of long distance trips and after four LPG converted vehicles I had enough of hunting down LPG stockists, carrying adapters for abroad etc. So I sold that one... This one...  And went on the hunt for a diesel powered Classic. Given the price of VM engined examples and lots of friends saying go for a converted model, I found my next one... There's a thread in Readers Rides but the search function is throwing a fit, so I can't link to it now. I ended up with a 1987 2.8 Isuzu engined Vogue, ex-V8, cloth manual seats etc. What I wanted... Except for the rust. The Isuzu motor is great, I'd argue it's as quick as my V8 once it's rolling and it's a manual which I prefer. The engine is from an early Trooper and is mated to the Land Rover box using an adapter plate and engine mounts from a company called Milner, who are still in business but no longer offer the kit. I achieved late 20s to the gallon with this one, needing minimal maintenance I managed 11k in this across Europe. Then the turbo started blowing and exhaust manifold too... So instead of paying £450 for new bits, I bought a whole 3.1Trooper for £300. I pulled the 2.8 out in mid November, transferred the engine mounts and adapter plate over to the 3.1 and got it back on the road late November. I've been to the Alps and back in the last three weeks and I love the new motor... I still get late 20s to the gallon and it'll cruise at 80-85 on 265 tyres all day. I 'd recommend a converted model all day long, go manual check everything from rust to electrics. My first was luxurious with all the toys, looked good but was a pile of wibblepoo. My new one looks like a poachers special... But is invincible. Mid November, in the process... ;D  |
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Thanks buddy, when I tried it kept timing out... Will bookmark it now ;D
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Hmmmm very interesting... need to have a look to see whats about i think |
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'92 Audi S4 Avant 2.2 AAN Turbo Auto [gone]
'93 Audi 80 Avant 1.9TDi [gone]
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) has more torque than you could ever feasibly use and sounds great for a diesel but it's popped one gearbox and the propshaft UJ's which I have replaced and it seems to be wearing out the splines on the hubs now as it's run out of things to break, this would make me worried about the drivetrain stress on something heavier like a Rangie, unless you have a light right foot and lots of mechanical sympathy...
