bigrod
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I think it's written that you can, (within reason!), drive a car to and from an MOT station OR place where MOT work is going to be carried out without MOT and road rent and I think, (at least my last insurance policy did), insurance will cover you for this, however................
I'd pay the man. It's a lot less trouble overall and you'll be able to relax your sphincter!!
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Mr Vincent
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Talking from experance - I have been done this year, simular circumstances, the mile or so I drove the car and got stoped in has cost me - 6 Points IN10 No Insurance, (Loophole in the traders insurance made it not worth the paper it was writern on!!) £200 Fine, £50 Fine for no Tax (out by 2 days!) £150 to get the car back From impound. Now my Insurance on my Van and My Bike have gone up, And my Work have had to pay out more on there traders for me.... All because I got a jobsworth Police man who wasn`t going to accept that none of the 5 policys I have covered the car I was in.. But the Trade insurance was enought to get the car out of the inpound!
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why wasnt the insurance covering the car properly then? intreuiged
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Ads 19
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A mile, what about jacking it up removing wheels and put on a trolley, or old trailer and pushing it??
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A mile, what about jacking it up removing wheels and put on a trolley, or old trailer and pushing it?? See, a trailer would be the best option legal wise I think ;D Why are our motoring laws so convoluting and confused?
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A mile, what about jacking it up removing wheels and put on a trolley, or old trailer and pushing it?? See, a trailer would be the best option legal wise I think ;D Why are our motoring laws so convoluting and confused? fairly straight forward really, pay your insurance, have a valid MOT certificate and road tax and you can drive on the roads. one of the above items missing, you cant
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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Stu_B
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Yeah but you can't have road tax without an MOT. You can't really get to an MOT without roadtax... insurance is a must.
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Have a look on ebay...theres people on there offering to move cars for £1 per mile!!!!
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Why are our motoring laws so convoluting and confused? Cos that's the way they like it to be. Anyone with 2 bob's worth of sense would have realised years ago that it would make a lot more sense to put a nominal amount on a litre or gallon of fuel say 5%...... then everyone would have to pay it and would be no way of getting around it AND you wouldn't need 1,000,000,000 pen pushing lay abouts with flexi time and indexlinked pensions to administrate and collect it. It would also mean that people who use the roads most..... usually company drivers.... pay most... folks like yer granny who go to the shops once a week pay least. Not bad eh? But this is Britain where logic and reasoning doesn't seem to count when you are playing with other people's money. As far as I know ... we are the only country that has the 'Tax disc' system.
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bortaf
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Talking from experance - I have been done this year, simular circumstances, the mile or so I drove the car and got stoped in has cost me - 6 Points IN10 No Insurance, (Loophole in the traders insurance made it not worth the paper it was writern on!!) £200 Fine, £50 Fine for no Tax (out by 2 days!) £150 to get the car back From impound. Now my Insurance on my Van and My Bike have gone up, And my Work have had to pay out more on there traders for me.... All because I got a jobsworth Police man who wasn`t going to accept that none of the 5 policys I have covered the car I was in.. But the Trade insurance was enought to get the car out of the inpound! did you fight it ? i had a customers car impounded on the way back from collecting it to take it to my workshop for MOT work, i went to the pound showed my trade insurance (same paperwork i'd shown the curse word who impounded the car) and i got the car back FREE and all charges dropped so no idea why you copped that lot ? cos it is totaly leagal to drive an untaxed and un MOT'd car to and from the MOT or a place where work is to be carried out for the MOT I quote from the DVLA letter i got when i asked about it "You do not need an excise licence (tax disc) when taking an unlicensed vehicle to a pre-booked test, when driving it away from such a test, delivering it by prior arrangement to a place where work is to be done if it has failed, or bringing it away from that place. In such circumstances it is an exempt vehicle as defined in Section 5 and Schedule 2 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994: "22 (1) A vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of— (A) submitting it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) for a compulsory test, or (B) bringing it away from a compulsory test. (2) A vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used by an authorised person in the course of a compulsory test solely for the purpose of— (A) taking it to, or bringing it away from, a place where a part of the test is to be, or has been, carried out, or (B) carrying out a part of the test. (3) Where the relevant certificate is refused on a compulsory test of a vehicle the vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of— (A) delivering it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) at a place where relevant work is to be done on it, or (B) bringing it away from a place where relevant work has been done on it." You got shafted mate, it is leagal if the apointment is pre booked, i took that lot with me when i went to the pound i insisted on seeing the duty sergent for that shift, i had to wait while he came from Islington to the city airport pound and he tore the copper who impounded the car off a propper strip in front of me and appologised, mind they did breatherlise me on the way out the pound and asked to see my insurance all in good fun just wanted to wind me up ;D
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thanks for that Rob I'm going to copy and print that - and keep it with me for just such an occassion
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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Why are our motoring laws so convoluting and confused? Cos that's the way they like it to be. Anyone with 2 bob's worth of sense would have realised years ago that it would make a lot more sense to put a nominal amount on a litre or gallon of fuel say 5%...... then everyone would have to pay it and would be no way of getting around it AND you wouldn't need 1,000,000,000 pen pushing lay abouts with flexi time and indexlinked pensions to administrate and collect it. It would also mean that people who use the roads most..... usually company drivers.... pay most... folks like yer granny who go to the shops once a week pay least. Not bad eh? But this is Britain where logic and reasoning doesn't seem to count when you are playing with other people's money. As far as I know ... we are the only country that has the 'Tax disc' system. the goverment did actually do that in the late 70's but brushed the not paying rfl but under the carpet. loads of countrys have identifers on the vehicle to say its paid its dues. and and as others have said,the british system aint that complicated.
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See, a trailer would be the best option legal wise I think ;D Why are our motoring laws so convoluting and confused? fairly straight forward really, pay your insurance, have a valid MOT certificate and road tax and you can drive on the roads. one of the above items missing, you cant Bortaf's already covered the exception on the tax and MOT pretty thoroughly, so can I do the insurance please? You can avoid needing insurance by depositing a security (was £15000 in the Road Traffic Act 1988 but may have been raised since) with the Accountant General of the Supreme Court (RTA 1988 Sect 144). It must be done through a body which deposits securities rather than personally so would presumably carry charges from them. You can reclaim that security when you stop driving if it hasn't been claimed against. Not too sure how ANPR would deal with it though cos it's a personal security which allows the depositor to drive anything they own so doesn't show against a particular vehicle. Once they started pulling you and impounding your cars every 5 minutes you could probably get your 15k back in a harrassment case
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Insurance will be void as the car is sorn. Even if you have insured it you could still end up being done for driving without insurance. 9 points Driving without MOT. 3 points Any defects with the car 3 points each. You could end up loosing your licence over it if caught. Not to mention about £300 quid in fines its really not worth it pay the £40 and do it legally. Driving without an MOT is a non-endorsable offence, you can't get points on your licence for it. Driving without insurance does not automatically earn you 9 points, the guidelines are 6 to 8 penalty points, a possible discretionary ban and a fine of up to £5,000. Driving with no MOT does not automatically invalidate your insurance. There's a good chance it will do, but it's not a definite. Check your small print. (I work in a magistrates court and spend, on average, about 8 hours a week sat in a Road Traffic Court watching these cases go through ).
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2010 23:04:28 GMT by DarrenW
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smellyferret
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If you have a mate with a tow-hook, price up renting a trailer for the day.
I know I can hire one here for £30. You could also see if anyone else on the board wants a car moved or picked up and go halves on the cost. There will be a hefty deposit, but you get that back, and so long as your mate with the tow hitch has trailers on their licence you should be ok!
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I had heard the rumour many years ago that the security thing was real. So.. if you are a 17 yr old lad facign a £2500 insurance premium, could you borrow 15G, interest on which is only what 900 a year? and be insured?? gotta be a catch .. ?
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2010 23:32:31 GMT by datman
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Driving with no MOT does not automatically invalidate your insurance. There's a good chance it will do, but it's not a definite. Check your small print. (I work in a magistrates court and spend, on average, about 8 hours a week sat in a Road Traffic Court watching these cases go through ). Curiously (and there's no reason for a Magistrate to know this) driving with no MOT can't invalidate your insurance regardless of the small-print. The RTA sect 148 specifically states that any term claiming such an exclusion has no effect with respect to third party liability, which is all you legally need anyway. The full list of invalid exemptions are: If such a clause is in the policy, the insurance company is entitled to sue you for whatever they've paid out (and probably bankrupt you) but they still have to honour the third party claim, so you're still legally insured.
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I had heard the rumour many years ago that the security thing was real. So.. if you are a 17 yr old lad facign a £2500 insurance premium, could you borrow 15G, interest on which is only what 900 a year? and be insured?? gotta be a catch .. ? Yep - that's the sort of case where it might actually make sense. The problems you might have are finding a security company to deposit for you (most of them tend to be insurers as well) and finding a loan company to lend you money for that purpose (same reason). Would certainly be worth looking round for in a case like that though!
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As far as I know ... we are the only country that has the 'Tax disc' system. I have to pay an annual fee for my licence tag (read: numberplate) which is $10. The brake tag(sic, read: MoT) is $10. These small amounts are offset by the fact between the two trucks I paid $3700 in insurance last year... Stump up forty quid, that's pretty good for shifting an unroadworthy vehicle legally. --Phil
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any ANPR cameras enroute? do you know anyone with trade insurance? if no cameras and you MUST do it yourself; study your route, choose a quiet time of the day, get a car following close behind (a blocking vehicle, if you like ) clench your cheeks, don't crash, or be crashed into, or stopped by the politizi ;D spend the 40 quid on presents for your loved ones I disagree mate. Firstly a following car (or even one either side) won't stop ANPR equipped rozzer cars picking up the fact it's not legal. OP: forty quid ain't that bad, it cost a decent whack to run a recovery truck what with insurance and fuel etc and even though it may only be one mile the driver still has to get to you and get home again afterwards. What concerns me though is the 'No tax, no MOT no nothing' bit as that implies you're not insured. Leet205 is correct, all four wheels on the road means the car must be legal (i.e tax, MOT and insurance) so get a recovery truck driver to collect for you.
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