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Limey
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Dec 21, 2010 13:10:34 GMT
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95 Unleaded with 10% Ethanol. It's cheaper and more environmentally friendly.
But for most cars built before 2000, it hardens anything rubber in the motor, causes leaks.
More and more petrol station in France are replacing normal 95 with E10. At least half now. Really annoying!
I have to go out of my way now to get petrol, or treat my car to a few litres of 98 to keep it going.
Same in the UK?
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Roobeh
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Dec 21, 2010 13:13:17 GMT
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i'm pretty sure we still have 95. well we do around here in sunny swansea anyway. never looked for E10 but then i can't say i've ever noticed it either. just the regular expensive, vary expensive and stupendously expensive.
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Dec 21, 2010 13:29:10 GMT
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Some stations have E85 which is 85% ethanol. Not many though. Biofuel is so contested though. Even partway through a doctorate in environmental engineering I'm still not sure in my mind whether there's any benefit. Lets just get on with renewable energy and electric cars and skip the green fuels. Leaves us more for our old cars  |
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jonw
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Dec 21, 2010 13:46:51 GMT
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No round here we don't.... good ole' 95Ron all the way!!!
(I'm from Wiltshire, England)
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Dec 21, 2010 13:54:40 GMT
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You could always change the fuel line rubber hoses and seals to PTFE type. Is fairly cheap now and can be bought on ebay in various sizes. PTFE is very resilient to almost anything... certainly nothing you could use to fuel your car will cause it to degrade.
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Dec 21, 2010 14:00:38 GMT
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You could always change the fuel line rubber hoses and seals to PTFE type. Is fairly cheap now and can be bought on ebay in various sizes. PTFE is very resilient to almost anything... certainly nothing you could use to fuel your car will cause it to degrade. There's another way 'round: retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=93273Rumour has it, the acid that builds up can also corrode certain alloys in which case resistant seals & hoses would not help much |
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Dec 21, 2010 14:04:37 GMT
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Biofuel is so contested though. Even partway through a doctorate in environmental engineering I'm still not sure in my mind whether there's any benefit. Lets just get on with renewable energy and electric cars and skip the green fuels. Leaves us more for our old cars Indeed. Personally (warning - sweeping statement ahead!), making fuel from waste sems reasonable, but buying food crops (maize) or growing crops specifically (Jatropha, Palm) seems to be the height of stupidity. RE + Hydrogen, please. Plug-in electric vehicles don't have the range for most of my journeys. |
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Dec 21, 2010 14:19:26 GMT
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Indeed. Personally (warning - sweeping statement ahead!), making fuel from waste sems reasonable, but buying food crops (maize) or growing crops specifically (Jatropha, Palm) seems to be the height of stupidity. RE + Hydrogen, please. Plug-in electric vehicles don't have the range for most of my journeys. Especially if rain forrests get burned down for plantation...  Battery technology is on the up though, and I'm very positive we see some very nice improvements in accumulator technology in the next decade (like very fast charge times of a few minutes & ultra high capacitys). But it will bring it's very own environmental problems with it. And the MAIN problem is still unsolved; where does all the electricity come from to power vehicles (and how do we power large container ships and aircrafts?)...? |
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Dec 21, 2010 15:05:29 GMT
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Ugh. I'm all for fuels that burn more cleanly, provide more energy per volume etc., but the fact we've had E10 here for the longest time has caused havoc with the fuel system on my Renault. When I pulled the tank to change the fuel pump, the rubber hose (still bearing markings of proper fuel hose) literally fell to pieces in my hands, having turned to fibers and black sludge. I'll take a picture of what's left of it on the the old pump tonight. As is said, check to see what you're putting in your tank. It'll run just fine, but it may very well be eating away at the innards of your fuel system. Oh, and the pipe was no longer leakproof. Nice and safe.... I've replaced the rubber pipework (most of the lines are steel) but still have a rubber o-ring up front which has begun to weep as it has turned hard over the years. Different plastics behave differently to it. It'll probably work for a while like it did there when four-star was phased out, a few stations dotted about "We still sell 4 star!", but due to the apathy noted in another thread that seems to be very apparent across there these days that'll probably phase out. We have a number of stations around here with big signs outside "NO ETHANOL". Interesting place to see classic cars around here  I thought there was a British standard for 95-grade petrol, and that BS number has to be displayed on the pump? Be interesting to see if places start selling E10 and the BS number doesn't change... --Phil |
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Dec 21, 2010 17:28:37 GMT
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And the MAIN problem is still unsolved; where does all the electricity come from to power vehicles (and how do we power large container ships and aircrafts?)...? It's not unsolved. Renewables and coal back-up provide electricity and vehicles where battery technology will not be suitable use fossil fuels. Environmentally, there's nothing wrong with using fossil fuel at or below the rate that the CO2 is absorbed back |
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 That's what threatens to happen with prolonged exposure to ethanol... --Phil |
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A was under the impression that most petrol in the UK had a small percentage of ethanol on it these days.
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stwat
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A was under the impression that most petrol in the UK had a small percentage of ethanol on it these days. I seriously hope not!!! |
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Yep, it contains ethanol now in the uk....which is why I've stopped selling fuel hose for the moment until I can find the correct spec for the right price- you need SAE J30 R9 now, although I reckon I found a German made equivalent...fingers crossed!
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Dec 24, 2010 11:19:41 GMT
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What about rubber seals in carbs and petrol pumps ?
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Dec 24, 2010 15:31:35 GMT
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What about rubber seals in carbs and petrol pumps ? Reports are coming in from our customers (who are mainly classic car parts suppliers) that all rubber parts in the fuel systm are rotting as well... I believe Shell issued a statement in response to classic owners complaints(I can't find the link) saying that it's not their problem as their fuel meets the current EU standard I guess they'll need relpacing more often... |
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Dec 24, 2010 18:59:38 GMT
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I can answer this in one word, yes
Some shell garages are using the 10% ethanol fuel now and the government is trying to force this into use. How do I know, I am in the scooter tuning scene and this new fuel is damaging small engined bikes (up to 125cc) it can be fixed with an upjet to the carb but sometimes wont make a difference. Owners of the older scooters (LML AND VESPA mainly) are reporting that this new fuel is causing the engines to seize. In some cases, and this true, the first thing the garage owners are asking when fixing them is "have you used any shell garages lately". There was a topic on the renault clio forum about it and several people (with newer and older, carb and injection) have reported faults. One guy with a newish astra DTi had found that something had rotted because of it which shook the car to bits and required a complete ECU (£700).
So yeah E10 is here and its not greatly welcomed by all.
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Dec 24, 2010 19:22:05 GMT
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Sooooo, why have we got it? Is it to water the fuel down a bit in the name of green-ness? I don't belive its anything to do with being better for the enviroment, The huge amount of more rubber being needed for fuel lines, injectors and so on will outweigh that... Artificial rubber is made from petroleum. Petroleum contains many carbon molecules. These are then chemically altered so they become molecules called dienes. These are then re-altered so they form a long chain called polymers and polymers are the finished 'synthetic rubber'.Why didnt they just leave the extra oil in our fuel? Saves all the hassle, Peoples cars catching fire when a hose pops .... |
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speedy88
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Dec 24, 2010 19:27:34 GMT
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Why didnt they just leave the extra oil in our fuel? Saves all the hassle, Peoples cars catching fire when a hose pops .... Money. But you already knew that I generally only use 97RON or above (get better miles on a custom fuel chip). I'm hoping the ethanol isn't so high in these but we'll see. Looks like I'll be using less Shell fuel from now on  |
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