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Feb 24, 2011 18:28:38 GMT
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I don't have the red key, no, but it's not too much of a problem since you can take a blue one to Timpsons and they'll code you another.
Was thinking about the clock thing on the way home from work today. I think really I'd prefer the Fiesta ones really. My only real concern is whether the ECU uses the car's speed to alter the management, meaning I'd need it connected. Will have to check that..All fun and games.
Thanks for the positivity, guys ;D
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Feb 24, 2011 19:16:40 GMT
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You don't get a red key with the later puntos. I reckon get a set of clocks from a better spec model and harvest the internals. better spec speedo is a regular 360ish degree roundy one,rather than 180degrees like the one you have.
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Gilesy
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Feb 24, 2011 20:05:14 GMT
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Hopefully the clock thing shouldn't pose too much of a sticking point. I was wondering if mk1 punto sx/sporting clocks are worth a look? They're all ~270 degrees. Also, as you've started with via 1.2 16v and it's a tunable little burger, keep an eye out for Sporting bits - they're 85 horse standard ;-)
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Feb 24, 2011 21:44:45 GMT
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Gah! There's a damn good reason why earlier SPI stuff has a cable speedo and later MPI stuff has an electronic speed sensor. Cock. Looks like I've got some modifying to do with the clocks. Since this is a zero or nearly zero cost build, I'll be chopping what I've got already.. PhilA, I forgot to answer your question.. The exhaust is an aftermarket Ashley one, and is a tad loud. I'll probably replace the centre box for something else to make it a little less visceral. Gilesy, it's an 8 valve, but part of the reason for choosing a FIRE is the upgradability
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Feb 24, 2011 22:02:20 GMT
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This is cool. just wondering what engine did the fiesta have before you started ?.
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Feb 24, 2011 22:15:22 GMT
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This is cool. just wondering what engine did the fiesta have before you started ?. 1.1 Valencia
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Last Edit: Feb 24, 2011 22:15:48 GMT by ben711200
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Feb 24, 2011 22:28:21 GMT
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You'll probably need to attack the springs with a grinder to get the front down as there'll be quite a weight difference between the two engines! ;D
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Feb 24, 2011 22:40:21 GMT
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Ahhh ok i thought i remembered reading something on the fiesta forum about this car and for some reason i thought it was a 1300, and I've been keeping an eye out for one.
good luck with this project ill be watching this its goin to be kool
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Feb 24, 2011 22:44:46 GMT
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did the punto you ripped the bits from have pas?
or would that be heaps of pain......??
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Feb 24, 2011 23:16:50 GMT
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Nice progress dude, re the key - What wires have you got out the back of the Fiat switch? I'm guessing a permanent live, an accessory switched live, an ignition switched live and the starter trigger wire? If so connect the Fiat ignition switch loom to the Fiesta ignition switch and cable tie/tape the Fiat key into the transponder and cable tie/tape it somewhere out of the way. That way the Fiesta switch performs the mechanical switching and the ecu just checks to see that the chipped key is present (which of course it is because it's permanently in the transponder ring) You could also have the Fiat key removable as an immobiliser. Keep up the good work
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It's not a proper switch like old fashioned ones, it's a series of microswitches with a spinny disc that pushes different switches dependent upon position. It's got 7 wires out of the back that split into two groups, one going to one fusebox, one going to the other. I assume they trigger various functions rather than doing physical things. The obvious answer is to spend some time with a wiring diagram and run all the switched stuff off of the Fiat's fuseboxes, but it suddenly gets far more complicated then as it's not just an engine I'm dealing with, I'd be rewiring half the car. Still, got until the Gathering to sort it
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It's not a proper switch like old fashioned ones, it's a series of microswitches with a spinny disc that pushes different switches dependent upon position. It's got 7 wires out of the back that split into two groups, one going to one fusebox, one going to the other. I assume they trigger various functions rather than doing physical things. The obvious answer is to spend some time with a wiring diagram and run all the switched stuff off of the Fiat's fuseboxes, but it suddenly gets far more complicated then as it's not just an engine I'm dealing with, I'd be rewiring half the car. Still, got until the Gathering to sort it On a Fiesta Mk1, this is not the worst thing in the world to be doing! They are pretty darn simple things to rewire. If you do go down the route of rewiring the cabin, I would recommend maybe putting power feeds in for MP3 players / satnav's etc as you then have the opportunity to site them correctly and hide them away! Also, if you want this to be a more practical daily, look to maybe put remote central locking in - this is one of the few things I really like about moderns, it is really just so convenient! What are your plans for the driveshafts? Rysz.
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Feb 25, 2011 10:42:18 GMT
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Yay for progress & build thread on this.
I really need to set some time aside to go through all my photos and post some up of the night we ripped the engine out. Opportunist spontaneous engine donor purchasing FTW!
I was wondering if there would be any way of removing the transponder chip from the key and embedding it into a Ford key somehow then fitting the transponder ring over your existing ignition barrel. I know we looked at the key and decided we didn't know where the chip is located hence not wanting to cut into it...but if I get to a scrapyard soon, I'll sneakily cut one of the keys open and see where the chip is placed.
Get a clone key made at Timpsons as a back-up too. Just a shame it didn't come with two keys.
Looking forward to seeing more updates and liking the progress you've made on this already. From being a bit scared of the wiring side of things, it seems you've really managed to get your head around it all.
Bookmarked ;D
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Feb 25, 2011 12:41:29 GMT
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Looking forward to see this progress
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Feb 25, 2011 12:55:35 GMT
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This could be epic! What about the rover K series? Can't argue with 105bhp from a 1.4! Ok youve started now but was just a thought!
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Feb 25, 2011 15:20:34 GMT
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This could be epic! What about the rover K series? Can't argue with 105bhp from a 1.4! Ok youve started now but was just a thought! Too wide dude Many engine&box combo's were considered before the FIRE was decided upon.......its a little hard to believe there is so little space between the chassis rails but there ya go.
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Feb 25, 2011 15:24:14 GMT
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This is an excellent idea, bookmarked!
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Feb 25, 2011 22:18:37 GMT
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You get feelings, you know? The ones when you get to the unit, get started and you're just in the wrong frame of mind.. Had one of those today, but I tried to get a bit done since I have to drive across the urban paradise that is Bridgwater to get to my unit and I'm not a fan of wasted journeys. I got that feeling when I decided that if I was going to be hooking stuff up to see if I could spin the engine over, putting oil in it would be a Good Thing. I'd drained the oil before back at Area52 but thought it'd be wise to undo the sump plug anyway to remove any last dregs. Reaching for my toolbox I remember that it's one of those silly oversize allen key sump plugs. Don't have tools that fit that. Balls. Still, we have the technology. I raided my M8 jar, and the Fiunto rebuilt kit.. Came up with a bolt, and a 12mm nut (I have a millionty in 13, but nearly nothing in 12. I must not own enough Japanese stuff) ..Cracked out this And made this. One 12mm sump plug removing tool thingy. Apologies for awfully blurred photo After the annoyance of having to make a tool, the 'dregs' of the sump ended up being in excess of half a litre, leaving a big mess I then proceded to refill with clean oil but kept having it overflow, making more mess. I was ready to go home but it had to be worth a quick bash in an attempt to balance out my poor efforts. Everything connected, I took the battery from the Passat, hooked it up, turned the ignition switch, and... .. Course it didn't bloody turn over, I'm not that lucky ;D I didn't expect it to really, but it would have been nice. I'll do it a bit more tidilly and sort out the earths rather than just holding them to the battery terminal, figure out what a constantly clicking relay relates to and just generally trace the fault in a logical manner when I'm feeling a bit more focussed. Everything on the dash did light up though, and I heard various stuff whirr and relays click, so it's looking positive. I got fed up by then and ensured I went to Sainsbury's for beer on the way home. Cheers
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Feb 25, 2011 22:42:24 GMT
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doh! there was me scrolling down hoping for a start up video Its probably something simple, and definitely worth getting it rocking before installation as it helps eliminate wiring issues
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Feb 25, 2011 22:45:42 GMT
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This is at the "cooler than a penguins penis" end of the scale. Looking forward to seeing your progress dude
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