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Jan 13, 2014 20:24:22 GMT
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Indeed sad news and the demise of the marque is as sad as well. Today there is no real reason to go for a Lancia over a Kia, there used to be... Well, I can offer only some lovely pictures Octan published of the Flaminia Super Sport Zagato: ![](http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_996/car_photo_498364_25.jpg) ![](http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_996/car_photo_498358_25.jpg) ![](http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_996/car_photo_498367_25.jpg)
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goldnrust
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Jan 13, 2014 20:40:43 GMT
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I'd been looking for those pictures for this thread, couldn't remember where I saw them! They are awesome. Got a new desktop background I think ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Jan 13, 2014 22:04:19 GMT
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So, on an Italian scale, they are effectively axing the Delta. And on a global scale, just the Ypsilon and Delta, as the Voyager and Thema are both rebadged Chryslers. Not too much of a loss really, as you seldom ever spot them on the continent anyway.
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duncanmartin
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Jan 13, 2014 22:22:08 GMT
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Fiat basically chose Alfa over Lancia. They did it a long time ago, and Lancia had been dying a slow lingering painful death ever since. Let's face it - if Alfa take the mainstream sporting role, and Maserati take the luxury and premium sporting niche, what is left for Lancia to fit into? RIP Lancia :-(
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Jan 14, 2014 11:06:45 GMT
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Sad news but as everyone has said inevitable in the end, realy Fiat just prolonged the death of Lancia.
Had a Gamma berlina for a few years great car but total floored with rust/delicate engine.
Today people want a box to take them comfortably to work with copy and paste styling and if its German then all the better, l myself can not see Fiat or Alfa surviving the next 50 years.
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Jan 14, 2014 15:19:36 GMT
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Fiat is the seventh largest vehicle manufacturer in the world and they own Chrysler, I don't see them going anywhere soon. And the Italian government would never let a company that important fail. Fiat will be around as long as the Italian economy.
...Yeah, you might have a point.
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1989 Peugeot 205. You know, the one that was parked in a ditch on the campsite at RRG'17... the glass is always full. but the ratio of air to water may vary.
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Jan 14, 2014 22:19:24 GMT
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Fiat basically chose Alfa over Lancia. They did it a long time ago, and Lancia had been dying a slow lingering painful death ever since. Let's face it - if Alfa take the mainstream sporting role, and Maserati take the luxury and premium sporting niche, what is left for Lancia to fit into? RIP Lancia :-( There is a massive Fiat Group hole above the Brera/159 etc until the Quattroporte. The XF/S4/GS430 hole. Or at the very least use the Lancia name to put a sporting SUV in the Q7/Cayenne bracket. They could just as easily bring the brand back as kill it off.
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goldnrust
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Jan 14, 2014 22:25:50 GMT
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Personally I'd rather see Lancia killed off than a Lancia branded SUV. An updated Thema 832 on the other hand, complete with Ferrari engine would be awesome. So much cooler than an M5 or Audi equivalent. ![](http://imcdb.org/i261007.jpg) ![](http://www.radical-mag.com/_upload/image/big/i_20110322-090109-782.jpg) ![](http://worldcarslist.com/images/lancia/lancia-thema-832/lancia-thema-832-05.jpg)
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Last Edit: Jan 14, 2014 22:26:14 GMT by goldnrust
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Jan 15, 2014 12:28:48 GMT
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I haven't heard the best about that Thema, a Ferrari V8 proved to be a tad too much for the front wheels... weirdly ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Edit : not wishing to be negative, I hereby suggest adapting a 4WD system from a 155Q4.
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Last Edit: Jan 15, 2014 12:30:10 GMT by Clement
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Jan 15, 2014 12:34:25 GMT
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I would guess the Maserati Quattroporte fills the Ferrari engined Italian luxury saloon niche at the moment ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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duncanmartin
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Jan 15, 2014 20:53:42 GMT
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Fiat basically chose Alfa over Lancia. They did it a long time ago, and Lancia had been dying a slow lingering painful death ever since. Let's face it - if Alfa take the mainstream sporting role, and Maserati take the luxury and premium sporting niche, what is left for Lancia to fit into? RIP Lancia :-( There is a massive Fiat Group hole above the Brera/159 etc until the Quattroporte. The XF/S4/GS430 hole. Or at the very least use the Lancia name to put a sporting SUV in the Q7/Cayenne bracket. They could just as easily bring the brand back as kill it off. Maserati has a car in that segment coming out this year. It will be called the Ghibli. There have also been rumours about a Maserati SUV. The profit margins are better bringing a premium brand downward in size, and the Lancia brand had been eroded over the years while maserati has strengthened (compare the reputation of the biturbo to the Integrale).
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Lancia's been in a bad way for years; Name one after the Delta? The Chrysler link could have resulted in a modern interpretation of the Thema 8.32 (the current Thema is a rebadged 300C, available as a SRT8), but someone dropped the ball.
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2014 0:54:00 GMT by mfrv1
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I would kill to have one of those Ferrari engined Thema's love them, car manufacturers just can't do stuff like that anymore, last one would be the V8 Rover 75 i'd have one of those aswell ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) just need to win the lottery.............
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Jan 18, 2014 17:47:48 GMT
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I'll have a Lancia one day.
Brilliant cars, brand and ethos allowed to wither by the accountants and marketing people at Fiat. And I'm pleased to read that those awful Chrysler Delta adverts provoked a similar 'throw/remote' reaction.
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Jan 18, 2014 23:02:01 GMT
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Not a huge fan of Italian cars/design, but the Beta Montecarlo was special: ![](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ThlSXCpWn6Y/T5ZiFV0ZWwI/AAAAAAAAGxs/l88x83oE-qM/s1600/Lancia-Beta_Montecarlo_1974_1600x1200_wallpaper_02.jpg) Their latest output was unforgivably ugly though.
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As much as they are beautiful cars, the three most perplexing, badly designed, and poorly built cars I have owned have been Lancias. A fulvia, Beta 2000 HPE and Y10.
Lost a lot of money on all of them - Have a lot of funny stories to tell - Will look back on Lancia and always think "What if they used decent metal during the 80's" and "What if they didn't put the fuse box underneath a bonnet vent" ....
Still, as a car mad 10yr old I will never forget watching an 037 go round brands hatch - feet almost lifting off the floor from the noise of the turbo/supercharger and then being told it went round brands quicker than an F1 car.
Lancia got me into cars at an early age - every sunday on bbc2 the group B cars would be out in force and there I was - glued to the box - handful of 10p's waiting to go in the slot just in case (Radio Rentals would have coin-operated TV's in the early 80's)
Lancia is to me like thinking of a beautiful ex-girlfriend - fantastic s3x, great fun to be with, but an absolute bunny boiler 9/10ths of the time.
One minute I think of the 037 - The greatest car ever made, then remind myself of going around bowaters roundabout in my Beta and having the rear side quarter window fall out, busting the car tyres of the Land Rover behind me - me paying him some cash for new ones, then getting home and simultaneously blowing the head gasket then steam from the engine caught the fusebox alight. Comfy seats though.....
I either had love, or pure hatrid, never anything inbetween .....
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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goldnrust
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Jan 19, 2014 19:11:12 GMT
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I've just read that a 1955 Aurelia b24 spider sold for over £1m a few days ago… really hammers home how well thought of Lancia once were, and how far they have fallen B24 spider (not the one recently auctioned) ![](http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/1955-lancia-aurelia-b24-spyder-america-roadster-jill-reger.jpg) ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PDsZxlIuXG4/UE9GPO6Q1ZI/AAAAAAAAZ14/mTbFZ2-5B48/s1600/SDC17243.JPG)
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Jan 20, 2014 12:50:14 GMT
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I'd just like to add, in defense of Chrysler, that neither the Ypsilon nor Delta that people seem to hate are actual Chrysler products.
Both are Lancia designed and engineered (in the Lancia Style Centre), simply rebadged as Chrysler for the UK. They haven't been developed or designed by Chrysler, so the American brand has nothing at all to do with their iffy styling.
It's the larger Lancias, the Flavia, Thema and Voyager, that are *actually* Chrysler products.
For the record, I quite like the current Ypsilon - ever since the original it's been a fairly quirky-looking thing and the latest generation continues that. It's even quite pleasant to drive with the TwinAir engine - it's just a slightly posher Fiat Panda, and there's certainly nowt wrong with the Panda.
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