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Nov 18, 2016 23:24:07 GMT
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Could be wrong, but i'm sure there is (or was) a rule that allowed a dedicated "recovery" vehicle to be run full time on a trade plate. As such it was exempt from MOT and a few other things (though not the tachograph, if applicable) You would need Trade insurance to get the trade plate of course, but it might offer a loophole worth exploiting - if it's still there!
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Rich
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Could be wrong, but i'm sure there is (or was) a rule that allowed a dedicated "recovery" vehicle to be run full time on a trade plate. As such it was exempt from MOT and a few other things (though not the tachograph, if applicable) You would need Trade insurance to get the trade plate of course, but it might offer a loophole worth exploiting - if it's still there! Steve You can only do that to recover broken down vehicles. Not transport them. You can use the B license loophole for recovery anyway provided the recovery vehicle itself isn't more than 3.5 tonnes but it's for recovery and not transport. |
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Added to.that if you're using it for any purpose other than 'recovery' and were picked up on it then you'd be done for whichever infringements of the road traffic act you've committed. Probably because more than a few people have kicked the  out of the system in.the past. |
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Nov 19, 2016 17:37:18 GMT
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Could be wrong, but i'm sure there is (or was) a rule that allowed a dedicated "recovery" vehicle to be run full time on a trade plate. As such it was exempt from MOT and a few other things (though not the tachograph, if applicable) You would need Trade insurance to get the trade plate of course, but it might offer a loophole worth exploiting - if it's still there! Steve I have both, but it is my understanding that the vehicle must be fitted with a spec-lift as it's recovery only, and not transporting, as mentioned above. I'd really like to not have to have to fit the thing out with a tacho if at all possible. I can understand that for work use, but I wonder if it's required for personal use, i.e. if I'd be taking one of my cars to race meeting or car show... If it was the case of needing it tachographed, then I'd aim at building it within 3.5t, and just work hard on keeping the weight low. Can always just use the van and trailer for picking up heavy cars, as I'm not planning on replacing them at all. Would just be nicer if this could be used for anything. |
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Nov 19, 2016 18:00:07 GMT
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Could be wrong, but i'm sure there is (or was) a rule that allowed a dedicated "recovery" vehicle to be run full time on a trade plate. As such it was exempt from MOT and a few other things (though not the tachograph, if applicable) You would need Trade insurance to get the trade plate of course, but it might offer a loophole worth exploiting - if it's still there! Steve I have both, but it is my understanding that the vehicle must be fitted with a spec-lift as it's recovery only, and not transporting, as mentioned above. I'd really like to not have to have to fit the thing out with a tacho if at all possible. I can understand that for work use, but I wonder if it's required for personal use, i.e. if I'd be taking one of my cars to race meeting or car show... If it was the case of needing it tachographed, then I'd aim at building it within 3.5t, and just work hard on keeping the weight low. Can always just use the van and trailer for picking up heavy cars, as I'm not planning on replacing them at all. Would just be nicer if this could be used for anything. The guy in the garage next door to mine seems to get away with it, he just has a biggish Iveco with a more or less flat bed and a winch. No spec lift. |
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Nov 19, 2016 20:58:04 GMT
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Pretty sure tachograph regs are more related to use 'for hire or reward'.
Transporting your own stuff, or recovering broken down vehicles -providing you're not charging for the service- you can get away without one, and I believe this may also apply to HGV's also.
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tacho and cpc is for business use, you can drive without for personal use but if the truck is painted/ stickered up with your business name ect and you get pulled with a car on the back i suspect you will be having a long boring descussion with vosa to prove your not working and we all know how fun that would be.
out of intrest as I'm old enough to have 7.5t on my license how much does it cost to get the license and cpc tacho ect as at least then you could properly use it for business and i would prefer to be recovered by something cool rather than a yellow/ orange lorry
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Nov 20, 2016 23:04:33 GMT
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We're lucky in the sense that we can drive up to 4.5T on our standard car licence. At work we have a Mitsu Fuso Canter, that I regularly drive. Unfortunately the bed/body is only 4.2m, so it's a little short for carrying cars, but great for moving houses, bikes and metal supplied  |
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Nov 20, 2016 23:09:49 GMT
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we do have those here but typically only weighted at 3.5t.
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tacho and cpc is for business use, you can drive without for personal use but if the truck is painted/ stickered up with your business name ect and you get pulled with a car on the back i suspect you will be having a long boring descussion with vosa to prove your not working and we all know how fun that would be. out of intrest as I'm old enough to have 7.5t on my license how much does it cost to get the license and cpc tacho ect as at least then you could properly use it for business and i would prefer to be recovered by something cool rather than a yellow/ orange lorry I know it cost around a grand for one of my guys to go through the lessons and test to get the licence, although no idea on the tachograph front. I don't think it would be massively expensive, but it's another bunch of paperwork and reports that I don't have time to look after. Owing to the nature of the design, the only signwriting it would get is a little bit of old yank garage curved script on the doors, so not that much at all, and given that work is buying and selling cars, taking one of my personals to a show or race would be pretty easily shown, if Vosa got interested. Might still be an option then to use a heavier chassis. |
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Nov 22, 2016 18:31:51 GMT
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tacho and cpc is for business use, you can drive without for personal use but if the truck is painted/ stickered up with your business name ect and you get pulled with a car on the back i suspect you will be having a long boring descussion with vosa to prove your not working and we all know how fun that would be. out of intrest as I'm old enough to have 7.5t on my license how much does it cost to get the license and cpc tacho ect as at least then you could properly use it for business and i would prefer to be recovered by something cool rather than a yellow/ orange lorry You would also need to get a Tacho card, and all the card reader stuff to download the data every month. There is going to be a complete ban on using the old paper disc tacho,but cant remember when that is coming in. Having to fit the digi card reader from then. And remember as far as VOSA are concerned,if you 'gain' from using your vehicle, then you need tacho....... You can have your expenses paid for,ie fuel used etc ... but you must not profit from it. So for those using a truck to transport something to a competition or show,where there is MONETARY prize,Then technically you would fall under the scope of tacho regs. VOSA have done drivers for this .... |
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Nov 22, 2016 19:18:33 GMT
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^^^^^^
Surely only valid If you win?
(and that's {one of many reasons} why I'm not a lawyer.)
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Nov 22, 2016 19:31:54 GMT
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I suppose it comes down to the difference between 'letter of law' and 'spirit of law'.
Doubtless that in a few more years time there will be moves so we'll all have to run tachograph, even for shifting your own stuff or doing favours for friends etc.
Probably doesn't help there are as many people prepared to do jobs on the cheap and completely flout the rules surrounding being an operator, but that's a debate for another thread.
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Nov 22, 2016 22:00:07 GMT
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There are competitions/shows with MONETARY prizes? Tell me more! I always thought it was the other way round and we were lucky if we didn't have to PAY to show/compete in our cars! Even RRG costs and the chance of silverware, let alone money, is restricted to a few megabuck cars where any prize money would be a drop in the ocean compared with the investment of time, money and heartache needed to win it!
Steve
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^^^^^^ Surely only valid If you win? (and that's {one of many reasons} why I'm not a lawyer.) But to the mind of a VOSA womble,you would enter such an event hoping to win .......therefore you're fair game ..... You have to get yourself into their mindset .... they are the only agency that carry credit/debit card readers for instant fines,and they don't need a warrant to fine you! Remember, Not for Hire or Reward .... if you get rewarded,you are in scope ...... |
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There are competitions/shows with MONETARY prizes? Tell me more! I always thought it was the other way round and we were lucky if we didn't have to PAY to show/compete in our cars! Even RRG costs and the chance of silverware, let alone money, is restricted to a few megabuck cars where any prize money would be a drop in the ocean compared with the investment of time, money and heartache needed to win it! Steve I was talking general terms, Horse boxes are thier favourite,where there are cash prizes for events. |
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To put how VOSA work in simple terms ....
If you are driving your van or truck ..... you get pulled over by a VOSA womble car ...
Did you know your brake light is not working driver?
Now instead of asking you if you have a spare bulb to fit or telling you to get it fixed asap ....... they will fine you on the spot,the last time this happened it was £60 ....but i have heard its gone up.
Oh and they will ask to see your vehicle check sheet that you carried out before starting your journey.
Cover yourself,because VOSA are self funded.
Where do you think their wages come from.
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Nov 24, 2016 11:58:23 GMT
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You'd near put a man off building a cool truck  Looks like lots of hoops to jump through to get this right... |
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Nov 24, 2016 17:43:03 GMT
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Yeah ... not wanting to put a downer on anyones project,but VOSA have more powers than Plod on occasion when dealing with vehicles!
Its like the SVA/BIVA etc,as long as you start out with doing it right,then you'll be fine.
Its when you try to cut corners,and think they'll never know,they come down on you like a ton of bricks.
There must be people on here who think its all a bit overblown,never having had dealings with VOSA etc ..... to those my answer is this ...
Look at the various posts on here about people wanting cars etc moving across the UK.
Now if someone offers that his best mates brothers second cousin has a truck ,and will move it for you ... for cash at the weekend ....
If its not above board,and he gets pulled, the VOSA can impound the truck,AND its cargo .....which would most likely require a large fine being paid to retreive the cargo ....... plus your prized acquisition being sat in a compound somewhere....
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