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Oct 18, 2019 10:21:09 GMT
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Just catching up on this Chris, its good to see another project of yours  I wanted to ask a few questions if you don't mind? Knowing the windows will eventually leak plus water splashing on the wooden floor underneath could you substitute the wood with a marine ply which is better equipped for getting wet? Do you find that because of the jacking point location and aged steel plus 60 years of being jacked etc does this affect the B pillar and the fitment of the 2 doors? |
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1966 Ford Cortina GT
2018 Ford Fiesta ST
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Oct 18, 2019 11:07:16 GMT
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Internet: 0 - Jowett 1 Duff info from the internet I'm afraid Rich - This is a 34' Chrysler Imperial Airflow  And that's not a curved windscreen but a 2 piece screen created from two flat pieces angled from the centre vertical joining rail - windscreens are not has easy has most people think - the MGB GT is a fairly simple screen to fit but the chrome covers & corners are another thing entirely Many thanks for your comments though - much appreciated If you are reading the Autoglass website, it says the Chrysler Imperial was the first to use curved glass in two pieces. Panoramic one piece curved screens came later. It is a bit vague thereafter as alot of websites suggest the Corvette from this era was the first to have curved panoramic but also had problems. The Jowett unfortunately probably gets overlooked. Were Jowetts ever popular in the USA? All the information I can find to date lists that Chrysler Imperial Airflow windscreen was two pieces of flat glass but set a raked & diagonal angle - in effect, reality & practice not a one piece curved windscreen at all but two pieces of flat glass placed at a angle to suit the vehicles styling, contours & aerodynamics The first generation Chevrolet Corvette was introduced in 1953 - The Jowett Javelin was launched on the 27th July 1946 - a good 7 years prior to the Corvette - The Jowett Javelin very much gets overlooked ! Overlooked or not it's still Internet: 0 - Jowett: 1 |
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Last Edit: Oct 18, 2019 11:29:47 GMT by Deleted
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Oct 18, 2019 11:17:15 GMT
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If you are reading the Autoglass website, it says the Chrysler Imperial was the first to use curved glass in two pieces. Panoramic one piece curved screens came later. It is a bit vague thereafter as alot of websites suggest the Corvette from this era was the first to have curved panoramic but also had problems. The Jowett unfortunately probably gets overlooked. Were Jowetts ever popular in the USA? All the information I can find to date lists that Chrysler Imperial Airflow windscreen was two pieces of flat glass but set a raked & diagonal angle - in effect, reality & practice not a one piece curved windscreen at all but two pieces of flat glass placed at a angle to suit the vehicles styling, contours & aerodynamics The first generation Chevrolet Corvette was introduced in 1953 - The Jowett Javelin was launched on the 27th July 1946 - a good 7 years prior to the Corvette - The Jowett Javelin very much gets overlooked ! Overlooked or not it's still Internet:0 - Jowett: 1 I fully agree with you. A quick scan of the internet seems to throw up alot of USA written pages which of course are biased, and i'm just wondering how popular or known the Jowett was/is over there and if that would explain it wrongly being overlooked? I very much like these little bits of trivia as you never know when you are going to stumble across a pub quizz! |
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Oct 18, 2019 11:19:44 GMT
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Just catching up on this Chris, its good to see another project of yours I wanted to ask a few questions if you don't mind? Knowing the windows will eventually leak plus water splashing on the wooden floor underneath could you substitute the wood with a marine ply which is better equipped for getting wet? Do you find that because of the jacking point location and aged steel plus 60 years of being jacked etc does this affect the B pillar and the fitment of the 2 doors? Jim - I will be replacing the floor with marine ply - once fitted this I shall treat liberally on the underside Dinitols ML cavity wax - At 65 years old I remain amazed that the old floor lasted so long - but it is fairly high off the ground when fitted and away from the main areas that are subject to road spray - The floor that I replaced on a fellow Javelin owners car has now withstood 3 years of use in all weathers out in Switzerland and is still in a new condition The B post / jacking point problems are very much the case has you highlight - however the aperture gapping & door fit back in the late 40's & early 50's was nothing like that of todays standards - its all very much & readily sortable if you know what you doing |
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Oct 18, 2019 11:27:44 GMT
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All the information I can find to date lists that Chrysler Imperial Airflow windscreen was two pieces of flat glass but set a raked & diagonal angle - in effect, reality & practice not a one piece curved windscreen at all but two pieces of flat glass placed at a angle to suit the vehicles styling, contours & aerodynamics The first generation Chevrolet Corvette was introduced in 1953 - The Jowett Javelin was launched on the 27th July 1946 - a good 7 years prior to the Corvette - The Jowett Javelin very much gets overlooked ! Overlooked or not it's still Internet:0 - Jowett: 1 I fully agree with you. A quick scan of the internet seems to throw up alot of USA written pages which of course are biased, and i'm just wondering how popular or known the Jowett was/is over there and if that would explain it wrongly being overlooked? I very much like these little bits of trivia as you never know when you are going to stumble across a pub quizz! The Javelin was a very, very rare car over in the States and I only know of two or three that survive out there today - More popular was its stablemate the Jowett Jupiter a two seater sports convertible that utilised the same running gear & drive train - The States market had very similar looking but larger streamlined cars with far larger capacity engines that were very capable of doing interstate runs whereas the little 1500cc Javelin could not compete with such contenders |
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Last Edit: Oct 18, 2019 11:28:30 GMT by Deleted
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Oct 18, 2019 19:51:59 GMT
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Slightly restricted on progress today - has I'm slightly restricted in myself - it would appear that I have a chest injury that required a few visits to the medical intervention specialists to ensure it was nothing overly serious and what the best form of treatment would be - 'Take these tablets and keep on working' is my type of answer - so at least I managed a few hours today  Floor fabricated and ready for welding  Welded & dressed back  Replicated the spot welds on the flanges where I could  Then some small sections let in to make the sill good  I will dress these back in the morning - just a couple of sections to do then and that's this front corner finished |
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Last Edit: Oct 18, 2019 20:22:26 GMT by Deleted
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Oct 18, 2019 19:57:30 GMT
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nothing too serious i hope chris...one wonky old crock is enough around here! *
*(no offence meant grizz!) ;-)
mind you i cant shout...ive run out of fingers and toes to count all the clunks and twangs coming from assorted joints and tendons.
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating
'80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip
'97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Oct 18, 2019 21:51:43 GMT
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Not been on here for a little while..... Started to sweat as I read that! Get well soon! |
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Oct 19, 2019 19:29:15 GMT
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Steady day and Bill whom owns the car came over to assist has the project has entered the SMCZ (Serious Mission Creep Zone)  First off for me was to complete the offside front corner / outrigger welding / dressing back    Note the drain hole to the end of the sill / out rigger - now all ready for primer & sealer  I advised Bill that has the dash board has to be removed to remove & refit the windscreen with a new rubber and that if he has a better dash it would be worth fitting that - Bill has owned Jowett's since the mid 1960's and also bought / sold / traded spares & parts for the marque for decades - he also owns several unfinished project cars - now with a busy forthcoming year with several long distance trips planned (one being a rally in Denmark) he has decided to concentrate on this Javelin  Hence out comes the dash  And a refinished one will going back in  Windscreen needs to come out for reasons explained in previous pics   Bill then adds 'Can you replace the headlining whilst its here Chris' - ok lets put it on the list but you need to check the condition of your wiring harness has this travels front to rear on the car through the roof rail that is only accessible when the headlining is removed   That looks well used in my book and beyond the point of no return (and this is a good bit of it)  Hence the wiring harness is on its way out  Which shall be replaced with this new one  Meanwhile Bill delved into the engine bay and removed several of the engines auxiliary parts & connections  Because this is happening - Bill had this rebuilt engine planned to go into one of his other cars but has now decided to use it in this car - the current engine is ok but is now getting towards the end of its serviceable life (yes I know the engine is upside down but only whilst we fit the exhaust manifolds to it)  So in for a penny and all of that - covered in the bag is a rebuilt gearbox that will also go into the car - wiring harness is a lot easier to do with the engine & box removed and its a very straight forward job on a Javelin to have the engine & box in & out - so a very large dose of SMCZ but all still in short space of time has the work diary & schedule is has always somewhat overflowing |
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Last Edit: Oct 19, 2019 20:43:22 GMT by Deleted
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Oct 19, 2019 19:51:21 GMT
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given that it sounds like the owner is a serious jowett-ist , i'm sure he cant have been surprised that once you got stuck in to the tear down that things are starting to show their age.
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating
'80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip
'97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:05:49 GMT
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given that it sounds like the owner is a serious jowett-ist , i'm sure he cant have been surprised that once you got stuck in to the tear down that things are starting to show their age. Pete - It's so easy to forget that these cars are 65 + years old - however it is by & large a good original car - I can only find two patches of previous welding on it (which I shall be investigating has the welding looks like high voltage electrified cow pats & probably carries the same strength capabilities of a wet sloppy cow pat) - its certainly been painted at some stage but Bill is wise enough to know what to expect - which is probably the reason why he owns a handful of long term unfinished Jowett projects - one of which is the first Jowett that he purchased in his teens (Bill is now into his 70's) |
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Oct 19, 2019 20:21:40 GMT
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she certainly looks fair on the topsides though chris.
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating
'80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip
'97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Oct 21, 2019 19:58:50 GMT
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Cracked on a bit today  Fitted a new bottom hinge hanger to the B post  Into which is fitted a bronze bush  On to which the rear door hinge brackets are located  Then repeat the process for the front door and put the pins in  A few minor tweaks and the doors are of a suitable fit but its so critical to check this before advancing any further  Next check was that the jack fitted the new jacking point without fouling the sills Bill asked if I could look at the paintwork that held rust ingress on the rear shroud  And the only way that I resolve that is by removing the rear wing  So rear bumper & the wing off - this would provide better access for the piece of dodgy welding undertaken by others  All Javelins suffer in this area around the bush that links the rear axle  And the rear outrigger  A little probing later finds that this so called repair patch is not even welded at the point that its most critical  Scraped has much of the loose grot off that I could  And there is certainly more work than anticipated Buts its all readily sortable - I will let Bill cast his eyes over it on Wednesday before going any further  Meanwhile the doors were removed from the nearside  Further inspection of the jacking point  Would suggest that it requires replacement  The exhaust travels through it on the nearside so this requires removal first  Jacking point removed and the area cleaned back  New jacking point trial fitted   |
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Last Edit: Oct 21, 2019 20:05:58 GMT by Deleted
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Lovely car and great work - as always - that you're performing. It'll be good for the next 65 years...and how odd is that to consider? We'll all be pushing up daisies by then.
Re: your welder, I was thinking that the transformer Lincoln may be the inferior machine for the reasons you stated, but it was there when you needed it!
Re: the Jowett, I like that steering wheel design, the "droopy" spokes remind me of Bristol's own steering wheel design, very ergonomic and cool.
And, as a student of mid-rise scissor lifts, I'll repeat my admiration for yours.
So glad that we get to keep peeking into your excellent world of quality and high-quality old-car renewal. John
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Lovely car and great work - as always - that you're performing. It'll be good for the next 65 years...and how odd is that to consider? We'll all be pushing up daisies by then. Re: your welder, I was thinking that the transformer Lincoln may be the inferior machine for the reasons you stated, but it was there when you needed it! Re: the Jowett, I like that steering wheel design, the "droopy" spokes remind me of Bristol's own steering wheel design, very ergonomic and cool. And, as a student of mid-rise scissor lifts, I'll repeat my admiration for yours. So glad that we get to keep peeking into your excellent world of quality old-car renewal. John |
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Oct 22, 2019 17:49:07 GMT
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Stop making this look so easy! Off to buy a cap to doff 🙂
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I continue to really not being able to add anything of value Chris, other than admiration and teeth sucking, and words mumbled inside my mouth.
As always, you are going way beyond expectations but that is what people do expect from you.
Saying “well done” sounds so empty, but it has to do, as your work invariably leaves me kinda speechless, despite it being in the zone where you always place the bar.
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I've never been interested in Jowetts. Never given a hoot.
Thanks to you, and your sterling work I now give hoots. 😁
If I had a nano...err...something of your skill I'd be a happy man.
Keep up the great work.
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Oct 23, 2019 19:17:48 GMT
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Oct 24, 2019 20:15:02 GMT
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 Nearside rear wing removed  Then a good scrape back of the inner wing to reveal any rust perforation / grot etc  I knew that they would be some  But in the main a largely sound panel that just requires some isolated / localised repairs     In order to gain access to the bottom rail repairs that are required - the fuel tank needs to be removed  Tank drained down easily via the drain off in the base of the tank and the tank is spotless internally - it just needs a clean off before being refitted  Spare wheel carrier removed which holds some rust perforation - Bill has taken it to be shot blasted and I shall repair it when he returns with it   Boot floor next part of which is 9mm ply and rotten  Surprisingly and with little encouragement other than a wire brush of the threads and a squirt of penetrating oil 90% of the countersunk set screws all came out without a fight  Old floor will act has a pattern for the new one  But all the supporting edges are rot free and just require cleaning up + paint  Meanwhile Bill had been busy all afternoon with the drive train - gearbox & clutch now all set up trial fits on the carb mountings - engine mountings fitted along with various other parts tested / trial fitted etc |
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Last Edit: Oct 24, 2019 20:21:51 GMT by Deleted
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