Vehicle Tyres - 10 year limit ban

[zeberdee]

Jul 26, 2020 11:15:56 GMT pseudonymous said:

I don't get how anyone manages 10+ years on a set of tyres on anything used remotely frequently. Also, what about cars exempt from an MOT, there isn't any way of monitoring tyre age there, unless they are involved in an accident and get inspected then.

Think you’d be suprised how many vehicles use 2nd hand tyres that are that old .

Part of my job involves spot checking taxis in the local area .
I’d say 50% are on at least 10 year old tyres , I probably find around 4 a year on tyres over 20 years old .

The owners never see this as a problem as ‘the tread is good’ , & that’s all that matters to them .

[wildy]

Have some links to the accidents that have contributed to this legislation. There are many more incidences where the outcome is not as bad.

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/coroner-reaches-conclusion-m5-horror-2596289
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-18976092

[carat 3.6]

Jul 26, 2020 11:15:56 GMT pseudonymous said:

Also, what about cars exempt from an MOT, there isn't any way of monitoring tyre age there, unless they are involved in an accident and get inspected then.

That is just one of many reasons why cars should not be mot exempt. But it is still up to the driver to check it's roadworthy, and out of date tyres are not roadworthy.

[pseudonymous]

Jul 26, 2020 14:30:54 GMT carat 3.6 said:

Jul 26, 2020 11:15:56 GMT pseudonymous said:

Also, what about cars exempt from an MOT, there isn't any way of monitoring tyre age there, unless they are involved in an accident and get inspected then.

That is just one of many reasons why cars should not be mot exempt. But it is still up to the driver to check it's roadworthy, and out of date tyres are not roadworthy.

Agreed, but a lot of people (even enthusiast types) don't know/don't care and, ultimately, finding out the fatal accident was caused by a 15 year old tyre failing after the fact is too little too late.

The police certainly don't have the manpower to enforce this, so without some kind of inspection plenty of tyres will slip through the net.

Also, why 10 years? Is there some sort of genuine science behind this based on rubber degradation data or is this just another random/arbitrary government limit?

[jamesd1972]

As I understand it UV is one of the biggest factors so a car them at is garaged or runs summer / winter sets will probably last better.
10 years is pretty arbitrary - the caravan club recommends 7 years and caravan tyres are effectively almost completely unchecked in the UK.
The oils in the tyre also migrate out and harden them up I’ve heard as well.
Cheap tyres are a bugbear, I’ve narrowly missed being squished on cheap tyres that came with cars a couple of times and had my butt saved by some quality rubber. I think the EU ABC tyre rating is really useful but who knows what the UK will do long term.

Back on the subject the LR tyres are a name brand but are 10 years old. What to do is the question. I think we will probably look for a newer set on rims off a defender and sell the ones we have on. You have to be very careful with LR tyres as deep tread can mean very old tyres. People also want stupid money for them
James

[Mercdan68]

I was going to mention caravans but these days I very rarely see a caravan with a blowout
Back in the 70s and 80s it was a regular thing In the summer to see queues of traffic behind a stranded car pulling a caravan
I believe technology has come along way since then and caravan owners no longer leave there pride and joy sitting on its tyres for months on end allowing distortion to happen
Or is it because tyre technology has come a long way ?

[mk2cossie]

Jul 26, 2020 15:30:06 GMT Mercdan68 said:

I was going to mention caravans but these days I very rarely see a caravan with a blowout
Back in the 70s and 80s it was a regular thing In the summer to see queues of traffic behind a stranded car pulling a caravan
I believe technology has come along way since then and caravan owners no longer leave there pride and joy sitting on its tyres for months on end allowing distortion to happen
Or is it because tyre technology has come a long way ?

I'd say it has come a long way, but also remember that everything now has to be biodegradable/recyclable so it doesn't stick around forever after its service life.

The main problem there is at work we see 2 year old tyres from Continental and Dunlop that are cracked like crazy where they have perished/aged from UV

[pseudonymous]

Jul 26, 2020 16:05:33 GMT mk2cossie said:

Jul 26, 2020 15:30:06 GMT Mercdan68 said:

I was going to mention caravans but these days I very rarely see a caravan with a blowout
Back in the 70s and 80s it was a regular thing In the summer to see queues of traffic behind a stranded car pulling a caravan
I believe technology has come along way since then and caravan owners no longer leave there pride and joy sitting on its tyres for months on end allowing distortion to happen
Or is it because tyre technology has come a long way ?

I'd say it has come a long way, but also remember that everything now has to be biodegradable/recyclable so it doesn't stick around forever after its service life.

The main problem there is at work we see 2 year old tyres from Continental and Dunlop that are cracked like crazy where they have perished/aged from UV

On my previous daily I had Dunlop Sport tyres for quite a few years. I kept fitting them as I really liked them in terms of grip/noise but they were made of butter, they just seemed to get down to the wear indicator in no time at all.

[drseg]

when caravan speed limits changed i think caravans started using safety rims old caravans def didnt. the lump on the outside of the rim that the tyre POPS over, stops it rolling off the rim

[vader]

I think 10 years is long enough for tyres. Changed all of mine on the Stag last May as they were 9 years old. Tread was fine and no cracking on the sidewalls but I felt better for changing them £ 280 all including tracking

[welshpug]

Just been working on a 2005 Defender, had very good condition goodyear M&S road tyres, about 8mm of tread or so, half worn maybe, 48 11 stamp on them!

[fastblatt]

If it became law for cars would the space saver spare then become illegal to fit after ten years? The one that never wears out?

[vulgalour]

All the 10+ year old tyres I've driven on have been garbage and I've always been happy to see the back of them.

[rattlecan]

I’ve never heard such total tosh. I put 4 brand new tyres on my RS2000 (in fact not even on the car, just the wheels & they still sit un-fitted at the side of the car in a dark garage) probably just about 8 yrs ago. Never had the weight of the car on them, let alone touched the tarmac for driving. Are we seriously saying in two yrs time they are dangerous? What utter utter plums

[time]

I think these new rules are probably aimed at people with old 7.5 ton horse boxes and the like which stand idle most of the year and are then pressed into service without any checks or maintenance done.

[nickwheeler]

Jul 29, 2020 19:16:56 GMT rattlecan said:

I’ve never heard such total tosh. I put 4 brand new tyres on my RS2000 (in fact not even on the car, just the wheels & they still sit un-fitted at the side of the car in a dark garage) probably just about 8 yrs ago. Never had the weight of the car on them, let alone touched the tarmac for driving. Are we seriously saying in two yrs time they are dangerous? What utter utter plums

They're already well past their best.

[carat 3.6]

Jul 29, 2020 19:16:56 GMT rattlecan said:

I’ve never heard such total tosh. I put 4 brand new tyres on my RS2000 (in fact not even on the car, just the wheels & they still sit un-fitted at the side of the car in a dark garage) probably just about 8 yrs ago. Never had the weight of the car on them, let alone touched the tarmac for driving. Are we seriously saying in two yrs time they are dangerous? What utter utter plums

In your case they are probably fine, but there shouldn't be an exemption just for you.

[carat 3.6]

Jul 29, 2020 19:48:43 GMT time said:

I think these new rules are probably aimed at people with old 7.5 ton horse boxes and the like which stand idle most of the year and are then pressed into service without any checks or maintenance done.

They are by far the worst for it, always asking at MOT time "not to spend too much on it" but funnily enough they are also the ones who turn up in brand new range rovers...

[rattlecan]

Jul 29, 2020 20:42:55 GMT nickwheeler said:

Jul 29, 2020 19:16:56 GMT rattlecan said:

I’ve never heard such total tosh. I put 4 brand new tyres on my RS2000 (in fact not even on the car, just the wheels & they still sit un-fitted at the side of the car in a dark garage) probably just about 8 yrs ago. Never had the weight of the car on them, let alone touched the tarmac for driving. Are we seriously saying in two yrs time they are dangerous? What utter utter plums

They're already well past their best.

No they’re not

[rattlecan]

Jul 29, 2020 20:43:06 GMT carat 3.6 said:

Jul 29, 2020 19:16:56 GMT rattlecan said:

I’ve never heard such total tosh. I put 4 brand new tyres on my RS2000 (in fact not even on the car, just the wheels & they still sit un-fitted at the side of the car in a dark garage) probably just about 8 yrs ago. Never had the weight of the car on them, let alone touched the tarmac for driving. Are we seriously saying in two yrs time they are dangerous? What utter utter plums

In your case they are probably fine, but there shouldn't be an exemption just for you.

No correct, the half arsed idea won’t even make it into law & all the better for it.