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Jul 31, 2020 20:16:50 GMT
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My point is this really, so we start there, then a ten yr old tyre is deemed unsafe (Although it might not be) then on that basis, all ten yr old wheel cylinders ‘must’ be unsafe & servos & master cylinders & calipers & fuel pipe & so on & so on. Basically anything with rubber in, or are we just saying only a tyre is plums Your 'If they are going to implement this law / rule then next they will do this' is something of a imaginative mind - its like stating that because face coverings are mandatory for traveling on public transport this week - next week's mandatory requirements will be a hard hat, eye protection, hearing protection, face covering, gloves & safety boots No it’s not |
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Jul 31, 2020 21:37:33 GMT
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50 years experience in the motor repair trade would tend to support the theory that the government, whether by accident or design, have picked a sensible and reasonable limit in 10 years. Seems to me they just copied the 10 year limit that happened here first. And if I remember right, that happened in the wake of the Firestone/Explorer ( commonly known as Exploders) problems ( relatively new cars & tires at the time ), and started with the big tireshop chains pushing and implementing it in the process of their "upsell". As flawlessly as it happened here, I'm surprised it took so long to take hold in your neck of the woods. Yes, its only commercial vehicles for now. And yes, it will absolutely include regular passenger cars and classics later. And as has been mentioned earlier, the net is closing around our cars. We will be enticed to go away by hitting us where it hurts, and by not allowing us access to some roads ( I believe even the London /Brighton is in danger, right now ) And by putting a massive thumb on the scale towards Electric. This could easily be part of that bigger picture. "Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get me..." |
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Jul 31, 2020 21:39:41 GMT
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Rattlecan can you cut the swearing down please??
There’s no need for it on here is there?
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Last Edit: Jul 31, 2020 21:43:35 GMT by Mercdan68
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Jul 31, 2020 21:43:55 GMT
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Rattlecan Yes it is and can you cut the swearing down please?? There’s no need for it on here is there? No it’s NOT & since when has plums been swearing? It’s not even a real word, is it? |
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Jul 31, 2020 21:45:21 GMT
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Rattlecan can you cut the swearing down please?? There’s no need for it on here is there? I did not notice any swearing until you drew attention to it... |
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Jul 31, 2020 21:46:49 GMT
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Rattlecan can you cut the swearing down please?? There’s no need for it on here is there? I did not notice any swearing until you drew attention to it... This forum auto removes swearing, try it, so by default it can’t be |
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Jul 31, 2020 21:50:36 GMT
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Rattlecan Yes it is and can you cut the swearing down please?? There’s no need for it on here is there? No it’s NOT & since when has plums been swearing? It’s not even a real word, is it? Fair enough you carry on chap |
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Jul 31, 2020 21:50:55 GMT
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I did not notice any swearing until you drew attention to it... This forum auto removes swearing, try it, so by default it can’t be That is a copout. Its easy to slightly change the spelling of a word to fool the Auto Remove... Edit. Personally, I think the Auto Remove is childish and unnecessary. As grown up people, we should be able to agree to either allow the use of swear words (my preference), or agree not to use them... And now that we have successfully derailed this thread.... |
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Jul 31, 2020 21:54:19 GMT
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No it’s NOT & since when has plums been swearing? It’s not even a real word, is it? Fair enough you carry on chap Who are you me Mum? |
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Jul 31, 2020 21:55:53 GMT
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Fair enough you carry on chap Who are you me Mum? No but please remember there are younger people using the forum ...read the rules |
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ems1
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Jul 31, 2020 22:04:33 GMT
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When I got the Manta the tyres (Bridgestones) were at least 10 years old, but had a lot of tread and no cracks so I didn't change them.
I drove it with these tyres for a while, the car tram lined and the steering felt a bit vague but I put this down to the EPAS and wider tyres. The car also went sideways quite easily in the wet, which I also blamed on the tyre width and the lsd.
After a while the tyres cracked between the treads so I changed them.
Changing the tyres has transformed the handling of the car, so it looks like the old tyres were past their best.
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gte86
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Jul 31, 2020 22:06:19 GMT
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Back on topic The tyres on my dads hot rod have 6mm of tread and are very expensive BfGoodrich's Did a quick tyre check before using her the other day and found a heavily perished section that had bulged. Could of easily been missed if just tread was checked. As an MOT tester myself I welcome this change. I see far too many cars with ancient and mishapen tyres    |
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ferny
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And now that we have successfully derailed this thread....  |
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Maybe not in your case but it will effect other members on this forum that own commercial vehicles that cover minimal mileage per annum - point in case is Frankenhealey's Goddess transporter but there are others on here - myself included - In effect quite a lot do with some members of this forum rather than your sod all attitude Hmmmm - not sure that's my attitude at all - what I write is quite clear - your reason for misreading / misrepresenting it not so much. Clearly stated above what was in the consultation paper regarding instances of VHI commercials in private ownership. I appreciate that VHI commercials in private ownership are mentioned within the consultation but this is no certainty or guarantee that exemption will be granted currently within the proposals which is why many owners of such vehicles & the FBHVC (Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs) are concerned - if exemption is granted when the law is implemented then I stand corrected Unsure that the law will be broken though - surely the regulations will policed by the fact that any vehicle that falls within the category presented for a MOT will fail on a tyre that is above 10 years old fitted to the steering axle |
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It'll be broken in the same way you get dodgy MoT testers in cars. I've bought a few vehicles that came with suspiciously clean bills of health...
To be fair, it is worth flagging these sorts of legislature changes that could put our hobby under threat. Not too long ago there was a bill which had a little bit about engine swaps for the IVA needing to conform to the latest emissions regulations, rather than the emissions regs of the engine's year. That would have killed the kit car industry and a lot of our more major proects stone dead. That was opposed, and rewritten.
So long as popular opinion stays on our side, with our quaint little classics pootling around, it'll be much easier to make sure legislature stays where it is. A surefire way to sway that is to really publically kill someone through having a poorly maintained MoT-exempt car.
If there's evidence that tyres are well past their best by the 10yr mark, then we should be changing them anyway. Not least because it's generally a good moral thing to not kill people, but also because doing dangerous things puts our hobby at risk.
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It'll be broken in the same way you get dodgy MoT testers in cars. I've bought a few vehicles that came with suspiciously clean bills of health... To be fair, it is worth flagging these sorts of legislature changes that could put our hobby under threat. Not too long ago there was a bill which had a little bit about engine swaps for the IVA needing to conform to the latest emissions regulations, rather than the emissions regs of the engine's year. That would have killed the kit car industry and a lot of our more major proects stone dead. That was opposed, and rewritten. So long as popular opinion stays on our side, with our quaint little classics pootling around, it'll be much easier to make sure legislature stays where it is. A surefire way to sway that is to really publically kill someone through having a poorly maintained MoT-exempt car. If there's evidence that tyres are well past their best by the 10yr mark, then we should be changing them anyway. Not least because it's generally a good moral thing to not kill people, but also because doing dangerous things puts our hobby at risk. I can do nothing but completely agree with you - You will always get changes to legislation creeping into all forms of life regardless of what it is has government & society seek to ensure that we can all reside on this planet in a safer environment - occasionally these polices / proposals / legislative changes are not always that welcome or thought out - thankfully most of us reside in countries where consultations are issued & responded to by parties that support our interests and that was very much the case in this particular subject matter |
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Yeah agreed.
There's a fallout for the classic HGV crowd which is a bummer, and wouldn't really have been an issue if dodgy truck companies weren't running 19yr old tyres.
On thebpositive side for that, I expect the reason the new classic-sized tyres are so expensive is because no-one buys them, they just use old ones or remoulds. I'd expect the price to dip a little just due to market forces (or spike if the industry's small enoigh to collude, of course).
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Back in the late 70s, when I was trying to put a deposit together for my first mortgage, I took a job at the late lamented Firestone factory in Brentford. well paid shiftwork and piecework bonuses made it worthwhile. But my point is that EVERY size variation, even a 10% profile difference needs either a different series of (ludicrously expensive) machines to make it or costly and time consuming adjustments every time you alter the size designated. So running a low volume tyre line is very expensive for the manufacturer. THAT is why the modern copies of classic sizes are expensive.
There was a time in the 80s when the 175/70/13 was the most popular size around, every manufacturer made them and they were cheap as chips because the market was huge. Times, fashions and features change and now the most popular (and therfore cheapest) size is 205/55/16 I was recently buying these for less than £20+vat each, whereas even a middle of the road make of 175/70/13 is now £50 near as makes no difference and the HR rated version specced for my Dolomite Sprint is down to only a handful of makers and priced high accordingly. I can't see any reduction in prices on the horizon for classic tyre buyers unless there is a significant uptick in demand or smaller tyres come back into fashion on new cars.
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