Grizz’s Purgatory, Rezin Rockit 🚀 SUMMERTIME FUN 18/09/23

[grizz]

Aug 29, 2020 17:01:08 GMT kevins said:

Not even finished the car port and you are filling it up already!


Looking forward to this, how big on the engine are you planning to go?

Yup.

Would not be Grizz Towers if the next three projects were not set up already.

And of course a load of stuff going into the Galaxy thread.

I will try to keep this a bit more clinical, with less plums spoken, but I cannot help myself.

I will get to the engine in due course.

I need to drip feed you guys.

To see if you really are ever and interested.

But, engine is nothing special, but special to me.

[grizz]

Aug 29, 2020 9:34:24 GMT Paul Y said:

Sure it will arrive just in time for the temperatures to plummet and the snow to be deep and chrisp and even....

P.

Special quote here.


Yes Paul Y you know the drill by now.

Wait for sub 7’C days and nights, then start planning build.

Once the night time temperatures drop to 5’C you get your call nd invitation to come over and join me for an adventurous build.

Snow forecast for 17 October, hook up your britches cowboy.

See you soon.

[grizz]

I am guessing some of you are more clever than others and certainly me, with certain as[eats of cars and their technicality

I Hebrew tried (not that hard) to figure what a “Standard” Eagle RV with 1600cc engine and gearbox would weigh originally.

I am asking as I am interested in figuring out, roughly, what the power per Ton would be for one of these Cra, should you add in am140bhp motor and trans.

Any clever guys know?

Thanks.

[glenanderson]

I think it entirely depends on the abilities and choices of the builder. I’d guess between 1000 and 1250 kg, depending on engine, gearbox and axle choices, together with how much tat they bolted to it.

If you really wanted to, and were starting with a modern all alloy engine and gearbox for your 140bhp, only had rear wheel drive, and built down to a weight rather than up to a specification, I’d think you could comfortably come in around the 750kg mark, so 180+ bhp/tonne. Quick, in other words. 😉

[grizz]

Aug 29, 2020 21:16:36 GMT glenanderson said:

I think it entirely depends on the abilities and choices of the builder. I’d guess between 1000 and 1250 kg, depending on engine, gearbox and axle choices, together with how much tat they bolted to it.

If you really wanted to, and were starting with a modern all alloy engine and gearbox for your 140bhp, only had rear wheel drive, and built down to a weight rather than up to a specification, I’d think you could comfortably come in around the 750kg mark, so 180+ bhp/tonne. Quick, in other words. 😉

Thanks Glen.

That makes sense.

I would want only two seats, no bull bars, towbars (probably) and as little as possible extra weight.

Motor and trans....?/


Here is a clue on the donor.


Around 140bhp from 1800cc which I suspect one could tweak a bit.





PS II do like wide steels, or some of the nice 13” Japanese style alloys.


Hope that makes sense.



More detail nd pics tomorrow or so.

[kevins]

I'd reckon around 750kg too, for reference thats about the same as a morris minor or mk1 escort. plenty of turbo kits and info out there for the mx5 which easily takes them to 200hp on the std engine which would make it seriously fast.

The other thing to think about where the weight ends up, basically aim for low down and between the axles.

[glenanderson]

Plenty of tweaking options there. Well proven and reliable ones.

Would also be a good donor vehicle for suspension and braking parts. Cheap, easy to get hold of and well within the parameters of the weight and performance targets you’re aiming for. Being able to get all your service items from one supplier is a big plus point too.

Our Eunos Mk1 ran 15” alloys if I remember right. Plenty of options out there in 14/15/16”, and wide enough to take a chunky tyre to give you your “look”. I know you’ve already landed an engine and box, but I’d consider picking up a whole car as a donor if I were in your position. You might even strike lucky and get one missing its engine and box for peanuts. Making/remaking the Eagle chassis to suit the Mazda sub assemblies wouldn’t be rocket science.

[spacekadett]

I looked at one way back, I think I passed on it as it was Cortina based and I’d thought it was one with an Escort based chassis ( I was building the 100E at the time and wondered if I could modify the chassis to suit as the ‘E was so rotten! ). It was a friend of a friend, son had moved out and left that and a 105E dumped on the drive.

Somehow I still have the catalogue*









Looks like this is going to be fun 🙂



*Even if I don’t have the ability to post the pics the right way round! 😩

[Paul Y]

140hp doesn’t sound much in this day and age but if you are pushing around less than 800kg it will feel bloody quick, especially with the right gearing.

My 56 was engine dynoed at a shade over 500hp 540lbft and pushed the 4000lb + front room into the low 12’s at nearly 120mph - never felt fast.

My mk2 escort van with a 200hp pinto felt like a rocket ship.

With the MX5 motor you are only a turbo away from 200hp, plus pops and bangs - maybe flames!

That, and the fact you bum is going to be about 6inchs off the ground will make this feel faster than your bike.

I approve.

Please continue.

P.

[mr2fc]

Mega jealous I'm not in a place to be doing something similar...

[turbom]

Did eagle buy the moulds etc off jago?? as Geoff jago made a kit the JAGO GEEP.
Maybe an i4 engine like in your galaxy 2,3 bottom end and a 2 litre head???
Rally design are only done the road from you too for escort parts..

Its got to be painted in the SANTINE AIR colours Think AIRWOLF you need to be a certain age to remember that!!!!

BOOKMARKED as I love escorts and escort based kits..

[tineca]

Wiki says the moulds are missing in action and the club are keen to know where they are. I am pretty sure they are being used by a columbian renegade army and the A team are gonna come along and cause havoc to help a farmer with a stunning daughter get their water supply turned back on. Obviously before colonel Decker gets there. 😁

[brachunky]

Aug 29, 2020 21:26:04 GMT grizz said:

Aug 29, 2020 21:16:36 GMT glenanderson said:

I think it entirely depends on the abilities and choices of the builder. I’d guess between 1000 and 1250 kg, depending on engine, gearbox and axle choices, together with how much tat they bolted to it.

If you really wanted to, and were starting with a modern all alloy engine and gearbox for your 140bhp, only had rear wheel drive, and built down to a weight rather than up to a specification, I’d think you could comfortably come in around the 750kg mark, so 180+ bhp/tonne. Quick, in other words. 😉

Thanks Glen.

That makes sense.

I would want only two seats, no bill bars, towbars (probably) and as little as possible extra weight.

Motor and trans....?/


Here is a clue on the donor.


Around 140bhp from 1800cc which I suspect one could tweak a bit.





PS.mI do like wide steels, or some of the nice 13” Japanese style alloys.


Hope that makes sense.



More detail nd pics tomorrow or so.

So a nice 140 MX5 lump! Sweet motor. Is the donor trannie a 5 or 6 speed?

[westbay]

Turbo definitely ...

[Midas]

Aug 30, 2020 6:06:21 GMT turbom said:

Did eagle buy the moulds etc off jago?? as Geoff jago made a kit the JAGO GEEP.
Maybe an i4 engine like in your galaxy 2,3 bottom end and a 2 litre head???
Rally design are only done the road from you too for escort parts..

Its got to be painted in the SANTINE AIR colours Think AIRWOLF you need to be a certain age to remember that!!!!

BOOKMARKED as I love escorts and escort based kits..

The Geep was modelled on the Willys Jeep, rather than the CJ which is the model the Eagle copies.

[grizz]

Aug 29, 2020 22:47:59 GMT spacekadett said:

I looked at one way back, I think I passed on it as it was Cortina based and I’d thought it was one with an Escort based chassis ( I was building the 100E at the time and wondered if I could modify the chassis to suit as the ‘E was so rotten! ). It was a friend of a friend, son had moved out and left that and a 105E dumped on the drive.

Somehow I still have the catalogue*


Looks like this is going to be fun 🙂



*Even if I don’t have the ability to post the pics the right way round! 😩

Do you have more spec sheet pics please?

[grizz]

Just got this reply off a FB thread, quoted from an owners forum.

Here's a few comments from the Jago Forum.

Mine was 750kg on a local weighbridge back in 2005 with no weather gear or doors.

Weighed mine 980kg with 1300cc with a full tank of petrol and a full Jerry can on the back.

They are about 750kg to 800kg & Samuri are about 850kg to 960kg



So looks like around 800kg will be a good average to think around.

No excessive add ons needed, not even the radio currently fitted.

[grizz]

From the UKGSER Forum.

Some plans and advice.

Sparkplug lives in Cambridge so a detour to start and end with.

I tried Shipley a few weeks ago when I wanted a car brought over from the North of England. I was surprised by the cost (more than I expected) and it varied considerably (more than £500 between the lowest and highest quote). All stated “this assumes the car starts and drives”. I’ve since got a car locally but get an email every few days with a small discount on the existing quotes. There’s no substitute for going yourself, but time, distance and logistics will be King in your particular circumstances I guess. You’ve the feelers out on retrorides for some brotherhood help?

Find a suitable trailer for hire in / near Rochester, find a willing body or two in Glasgow to help load the car and then just pay my fuel...

Oh, and I'm not reversing a trailer up your drive

I'm curse word at reversing trailers, it's a tight space and I wouldn't fancy being sideways on that road for longer than I needed to.

Can't do it for at least a week though.

We hired a trailer from a place called Helpfull Hire near Thame to move a mini from Stanmore to Lochgilphead last year. Only cost about £140 amd we had it ten days. They were very good value. Could pick up on way through, although returning would be an issue.

Road trip gathering momentum 😎. Hellcat parked outside Ethyls vs Sparkers rig outside Little Chef takes a little imagination but hey the company’s more important than the country. My money’s on “Rian & Phil’s Tartan Tow Truck Tour 2020”

[grizz]

Aug 29, 2020 21:49:51 GMT kevins said:

I'd reckon around 750kg too, for reference thats about the same as a morris minor or mk1 escort. plenty of turbo kits and info out there for the mx5 which easily takes them to 200hp on the std engine which would make it seriously fast.

The other thing to think about where the weight ends up, basically aim for low down and between the axles.

Seems you are right.

I guess accessories add up quickly to create a porker.

I think right now, I want as little as possible extras on it.

Even the dash, speedo etc needs to be a bit like Mini, all in one dial or similar.

Aug 29, 2020 21:57:20 GMT glenanderson said:

Plenty of tweaking options there. Well proven and reliable ones.

Would also be a good donor vehicle for suspension and braking parts. Cheap, easy to get hold of and well within the parameters of the weight and performance targets you’re aiming for. Being able to get all your service items from one supplier is a big plus point too.

Our Eunos Mk1 ran 15” alloys if I remember right. Plenty of options out there in 14/15/16”, and wide enough to take a chunky tyre to give you your “look”. I know you’ve already landed an engine and box, but I’d consider picking up a whole car as a donor if I were in your position. You might even strike lucky and get one missing its engine and box for peanuts. Making/remaking the Eagle chassis to suit the Mazda sub assemblies wouldn’t be rocket science.

I really do not want to build a new car mate.

I know it could happen, but prefer to try keep it simple.

And the MX5 lumps are known to have a bit of potential too.

Aug 29, 2020 22:52:34 GMT Paul Y said:

140hp doesn’t sound much in this day and age but if you are pushing around less than 800kg it will feel bloody quick, especially with the right gearing.

My 56 was engine dynoed at a shade over 500hp 540lbft and pushed the 4000lb + front room into the low 12’s at nearly 120mph - never felt fast.

My mk2 escort van with a 200hp pinto felt like a rocket ship.

With the MX5 motor you are only a turbo away from 200hp, plus pops and bangs - maybe flames!

That, and the fact you bum is going to be about 6inchs off the ground will make this feel faster than your bike.

I approve.

Please continue.

P.

Thanks Paul Y you are right.

Some of the smaller tools are the best fun.

Driving Prozac as hard as you could through roundabouts etc was a lot more rewarding than doing it with an AMG500 or M5

Different yes, but often much more fun.

Turbo, with brains to fit it (in the snow) sounds great.

Aug 30, 2020 4:55:00 GMT mr2fc said:

Mega jealous I'm not in a place to be doing something similar...

Thanks mate.

I think this is a bit of COVID19 House Arrest Stircraziness.

Hopefully I can foot the bill by being sensible in my spending, though £450.00 to ship a pile of poo is not a great start.

Still, the Rezin Rockit don’t care for logic it seems.

Aug 30, 2020 6:06:21 GMT turbom said:

Did eagle buy the moulds etc off jago?? as Geoff jago made a kit the JAGO GEEP.
Maybe an i4 engine like in your galaxy 2,3 bottom end and a 2 litre head???
Rally design are only done the road from you too for escort parts..

Its got to be painted in the SANTINE AIR colours Think AIRWOLF you need to be a certain age to remember that!!!!

BOOKMARKED as I love escorts and escort based kits..

Laughing at your colour combo.

It will be an interesting dilemma in the end.

I have never had a yellow or orange car before, and want that, maybe this is a direction to go.

Motor wise, no spectacular;at builds.

I want the simplest Plug and Play I can get.

Aug 30, 2020 8:13:30 GMT tineca said:

Wiki says the moulds are missing in action and the club are keen to know where they are. I am pretty sure they are being used by a columbian renegade army and the A team are gonna come along and cause havoc to help a farmer with a stunning daughter get their water supply turned back on. Obviously before colonel Decker gets there. 😁

Sounds about right, resulting in a cool little car.

Aug 30, 2020 8:31:06 GMT brachunky said:

Aug 29, 2020 21:26:04 GMT grizz said:

Thanks Glen.

That makes sense.

I would want only two seats, no bill bars, towbars (probably) and as little as possible extra weight.

Motor and trans....?/


Here is a clue on the donor.


Around 140bhp from 1800cc which I suspect one could tweak a bit.





PS. I do like wide steels, or some of the nice 13” Japanese style alloys.


Hope that makes sense.



More detail and pics tomorrow or so.

So a nice 140 MX5 lump! Sweet motor. Is the donor trannie a 5 or 6 speed?

It’s a 2000 model, so I would suspect. Speed.

Aug 30, 2020 8:31:28 GMT westbay said:

Turbo definitely ...

I would not object, at all. But they always seem to take a lot of work to make work.

This need to be reliable and simple-ish.

Aug 30, 2020 8:41:37 GMT Midas said:

Aug 30, 2020 6:06:21 GMT turbom said:

Did eagle buy the moulds etc off jago?? as Geoff jago made a kit the JAGO GEEP.
Maybe an i4 engine like in your galaxy 2,3 bottom end and a 2 litre head???
Rally design are only done the road from you too for escort parts..

Its got to be painted in the SANTINE AIR colours Think AIRWOLF you need to be a certain age to remember that!!!!

BOOKMARKED as I love escorts and escort based kits..

The Geep was modelled on the Willys Jeep, rather than the CJ which is the model the Eagle copies.

I guess people build stuff as close to a certain look in order to avoid litigation.

I prefer the more athletic look of a Jago, but this Eagle RV (does sound like it needs a portaloo in the rear and panoramic front screen to go with the kettle on the side.



Right, electrical work waits while no rain.

[MiataMark]

Aug 30, 2020 12:47:34 GMT grizz said:

Even the dash, speedo etc needs to be a bit like Mini, all in one dial or similar.

Digital dash would be a good way of getting everything in a small display, check out Urchfab on youtube (www.youtube.com/channel/UCqvXGJXKeLCm6zg-JagDdzQ), he's built a Ford 1100e with a MX5 engine/suspension lots of good ideas.