Rich
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Jan 16, 2021 14:05:34 GMT
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Let's be honest - it's designed to stop a problem, but it'll still exist. There'll be the same people who "know a guy" or will switch them around pre and post MOT pass. That’s the way, you just need a tester who’s not a jobs worth & all is well in the world Thing is it's not even 'being a jobsworth' as such as it only takes the DVSA to come in at the wrong time and you could loose your testing license, even be prosecuted. If your tester want's to risk that so be it, that's on them. I wouldn't want my MOT tester to do anything he wasn't ok with in terms of testing. It's his livelihood.
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Jan 16, 2021 14:11:31 GMT
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That’s the way, you just need a tester who’s not a jobs worth & all is well in the world Thing is it's not even 'being a jobsworth' as such as it only takes the DVSA to come in at the wrong time and you could loose your testing license, even be prosecuted. If your tester want's to risk that so be it, that's on them. I wouldn't want my MOT tester to do anything he wasn't ok with in terms of testing. It's his livelihood. I don’t ask my tester to do anything other than test my car. If he fails it, he fails it. However if a tester I used failed a car for something I consider nonsense, he won’t be testing anything of mine again. It’s quite simple really
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Rich
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Jan 16, 2021 14:28:22 GMT
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Thing is it's not even 'being a jobsworth' as such as it only takes the DVSA to come in at the wrong time and you could loose your testing license, even be prosecuted. If your tester want's to risk that so be it, that's on them. I wouldn't want my MOT tester to do anything he wasn't ok with in terms of testing. It's his livelihood. I don’t ask my tester to do anything other than test my car. If he fails it, he fails it. However if a tester I used failed a car for something I consider nonsense, he won’t be testing anything of mine again. It’s quite simple really Something you consider 'nonsense' can still be an MOT test fail, regardless of your opinion of the rules. I don't disagree that some items of test are silly but them's the rules. If you find a tester that is happy to bend and break rules for you, then that suits you.
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mk2cossie
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Jan 16, 2021 14:32:09 GMT
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Don’t forget all hid lights need to be fitted with head lamp washer So it’s easier to tell if they are not factory fitted 😉 No they don't! And if it has HID fitted and is made before 2008 (I think) the washers don't need to work
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Jan 16, 2021 14:37:08 GMT
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I don’t ask my tester to do anything other than test my car. If he fails it, he fails it. However if a tester I used failed a car for something I consider nonsense, he won’t be testing anything of mine again. It’s quite simple really Something you consider 'nonsense' can still be an MOT test fail, regardless of your opinion of the rules. I don't disagree that some items of test are silly but them's the rules. If you find a tester that is happy to bend and break rules for you, then that suits you. Yes I’m quite aware what an mot test consists of. Let me give you an example. I own a Delorean, they never had rear fogs, as they were destined for the US. It’s an 81 car, so an mot fail here. My tester questioned me on it, my reply, I don’t drive it in the dark, never mind fog. He’s passed it ever since for the last 14 yrs. No one died, no one will. Now I’d consider that nonsense. You may not, but I ain’t fitting any, period
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2021 14:37:44 GMT by rattlecan
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mk2cossie
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Jan 16, 2021 14:39:35 GMT
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Thing is it's not even 'being a jobsworth' as such as it only takes the DVSA to come in at the wrong time and you could loose your testing license, even be prosecuted. If your tester want's to risk that so be it, that's on them. I wouldn't want my MOT tester to do anything he wasn't ok with in terms of testing. It's his livelihood. I don’t ask my tester to do anything other than test my car. If he fails it, he fails it. However if a tester I used failed a car for something I consider nonsense, he won’t be testing anything of mine again. It’s quite simple really What a ridiculous thing to admit on a public forum Any tester that passes things that shouldn't, wants his authority to test taken away! Thats just the sort of tester that messes it up for us that test stuff properly, and all for the sake of someone driving an illegal vehicle on the roads. Think of the nuns and kittens involved! Something as obvious as the wrong kind of headlight bulb fitted is fairly obvious to spot when out on the road
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mk2cossie
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Jan 16, 2021 14:41:26 GMT
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Something you consider 'nonsense' can still be an MOT test fail, regardless of your opinion of the rules. I don't disagree that some items of test are silly but them's the rules. If you find a tester that is happy to bend and break rules for you, then that suits you. Yes I’m quite aware what an mot test consists of. Let me give you an example. I own a Delorean, they never had rear fogs, as they were destined for the US. It’s an 81 car, so an mot fail here. My tester questioned me on it, my reply, I don’t drive it in the dark, never mind fog. He’s passed it ever since for the last 14 yrs. No one died, no one will. Now I’d consider that nonsense. You may not, but I ain’t fitting any, period Mot tester is wrong to pass that car, and you ARE wrong for driving it about like it still! Also means it doesn't meet the type approval for road use in Britain, but hey! You carry on sunshine
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Jan 16, 2021 14:45:21 GMT
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Yes I’m quite aware what an mot test consists of. Let me give you an example. I own a Delorean, they never had rear fogs, as they were destined for the US. It’s an 81 car, so an mot fail here. My tester questioned me on it, my reply, I don’t drive it in the dark, never mind fog. He’s passed it ever since for the last 14 yrs. No one died, no one will. Now I’d consider that nonsense. You may not, but I ain’t fitting any, period Mot tester is wrong to pass that car, and you ARE wrong for driving it about like it still! Also means it doesn't meet the type approval for road use in Britain, but hey! You carry on sunshine I will, you carry on being the best tester in the world 😉
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Jan 16, 2021 14:48:52 GMT
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A car doesn't have to meet type approval for the UK.
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ferny
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Jan 16, 2021 15:26:25 GMT
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Something you consider 'nonsense' can still be an MOT test fail, regardless of your opinion of the rules. I don't disagree that some items of test are silly but them's the rules. If you find a tester that is happy to bend and break rules for you, then that suits you. Yes I’m quite aware what an mot test consists of. Let me give you an example. I own a Delorean, they never had rear fogs, as they were destined for the US. It’s an 81 car, so an mot fail here. My tester questioned me on it, my reply, I don’t drive it in the dark, never mind fog. He’s passed it ever since for the last 14 yrs. No one died, no one will. Now I’d consider that nonsense. You may not, but I ain’t fitting any, period I don't often agree with your thoughts, but this is one of the few times I agree with you. It can't be hard for them to set up some kind of online pre-MOT questionnaire so the tester can make best use of their time when testing. Only drive with both front windows down - tint them as much as you like. Don't drive at night - keep LHD spec headlights. Not a taxi - no need to use the horn. German car - don't bother testing for indicators if they'll not be used. Only drive in the dry - 1.6mm tread depth is wasting tyres and harming the planet. And just be be extra sensible, make MOT's expire at the point of sale so the new owner has to state how the vehicle will be used. That way they can have a test specific to their needs and then all the kittens will be safe. 👍
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2021 15:41:31 GMT by ferny
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mk2cossie
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Jan 16, 2021 15:39:44 GMT
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Mot tester is wrong to pass that car, and you ARE wrong for driving it about like it still! Also means it doesn't meet the type approval for road use in Britain, but hey! You carry on sunshine I will, you carry on being the best tester in the world 😉 I'm by no means the "best tester in the world". I'm only human. But admitting that you have a car that doesn't meet minimum road safety standards on Britain's roads and that you pressured the MOT tester in to passing it that way is a bit of an idiotic thing to admit, don't you think?
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Jan 16, 2021 15:57:46 GMT
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I will, you carry on being the best tester in the world 😉 I'm by no means the "best tester in the world". I'm only human. But admitting that you have a car that doesn't meet minimum road safety standards on Britain's roads and that you pressured the MOT tester in to passing it that way is a bit of an idiotic thing to admit, don't you think? You seem to think it’s the crime of the century & you are over egging my point. You’re coming in with your statements like ‘a ridiculous thing to admit on a public forum’ , ‘idiotic thing to do’ & ‘pressurising a tester etc etc. As I’ve mentioned I have never asked a tester to pass anything, not my place to do it & would it make any difference if I did. I would just go to another tester as I mentioned. You say I am wrong, as you put it, driving a car with no rear fog. I certainly am, in the eyes of the law, but like I said, no one will die. However, driving round In a mk2 Granada with an engine the car was not designed or built for with probably twice the bhp the car should have, could be considered to be a far greater risk than me having a fog light fitted that will only be switched on by a tester once a year. I know which I’d sooner have 😉 It won’t be an issue now, it’s 40 yrs old, it’s never going near a test shop again 😀
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mk2cossie
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Jan 16, 2021 16:18:50 GMT
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I'm by no means the "best tester in the world". I'm only human. But admitting that you have a car that doesn't meet minimum road safety standards on Britain's roads and that you pressured the MOT tester in to passing it that way is a bit of an idiotic thing to admit, don't you think? You seem to think it’s the crime of the century & you are over egging my point. You’re coming in with your statements like ‘a ridiculous thing to admit on a public forum’ , ‘idiotic thing to do’ & ‘pressurising a tester etc etc. As I’ve mentioned I have never asked a tester to pass anything, not my place to do it & would it make any difference if I did. I would just go to another tester as I mentioned. You say I am wrong, as you put it, driving a car with no rear fog. I certainly am, in the eyes of the law, but like I said, no one will die. However, driving round In a mk2 Granada with an engine the car was not designed or built for with probably twice the bhp the car should have, could be considered to be a far greater risk than me having a fog light fitted that will only be switched on by a tester once a year. I know which I’d sooner have 😉 It won’t be an issue now, it’s 40 yrs old, it’s never going near a test shop again 😀 Well, good luck with going around to all the MoT places that "shouldnt" pass your car then. As for my car, yes it is modified. And other than the LED headlights that will be swapped out, all is above board and legal. So no idea why you picked up on that as something that should be a problem As for MOT exception, thats not for me. See no reason not to have a fresh set of eyes or look over my main mode of transport once a year for anything that may be iffy or up for servicing
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Jan 16, 2021 16:25:20 GMT
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You seem to think it’s the crime of the century & you are over egging my point. You’re coming in with your statements like ‘a ridiculous thing to admit on a public forum’ , ‘idiotic thing to do’ & ‘pressurising a tester etc etc. As I’ve mentioned I have never asked a tester to pass anything, not my place to do it & would it make any difference if I did. I would just go to another tester as I mentioned. You say I am wrong, as you put it, driving a car with no rear fog. I certainly am, in the eyes of the law, but like I said, no one will die. However, driving round In a mk2 Granada with an engine the car was not designed or built for with probably twice the bhp the car should have, could be considered to be a far greater risk than me having a fog light fitted that will only be switched on by a tester once a year. I know which I’d sooner have 😉 It won’t be an issue now, it’s 40 yrs old, it’s never going near a test shop again 😀 Well, good luck with going around to all the MoT places that "shouldnt" pass your car then. As for my car, yes it is modified. And other than the LED headlights that will be swapped out, all is above board and legal. So no idea why you picked up on that as something that should be a problem As for MOT exception, thats not for me. See no reason not to have a fresh set of eyes or look over my main mode of transport once a year for anything that may be iffy or up for servicing Good lad, just you make sure you do swap those lights though, we wouldn’t want you getting your mate at work ‘missing’ them on the next test would we 😉 And that was where the thread started, so we’ve got back on the subject
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mk2cossie
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Jan 16, 2021 16:31:37 GMT
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It wouldn't be a mate doing it. I don't have any of those. One of the perks of being one of those hated MOT testers. As for work colleagues, I wouldn't ever expect them to pass anything that should fail
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Jan 16, 2021 16:38:50 GMT
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It's not complicated, the rules have changed.
Opinions are irrelevant, the rules have changed and the relevant authority doesn't care if you agree or not and certainly won't give you some sort of special dispensation because of your issues with the change.
You might get away with circumventing the new rule forever, be lucky. Or you might not, and in that instance you can't complain because you knew the rules had changed.
As for testers simply ignoring rules, as opposed to exhibiting common sense, then it's on them when they get caught out by an examiner.
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Rich
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Jan 16, 2021 16:43:29 GMT
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Opinions are irrelevant, the rules have changed just thought that needed to be jazzier to draw attention to it
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fraudownersclub
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Jan 16, 2021 16:48:54 GMT
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Don’t forget all hid lights need to be fitted with head lamp washer So it’s easier to tell if they are not factory fitted 😉 No they don't! And if it has HID fitted and is made before 2008 (I think) the washers don't need to work Yep sorry stand corrected and it’s after 1st sept 2009 😎
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#fraudownersclub #richartsltd
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Jan 16, 2021 17:34:25 GMT
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driving round In a mk2 Granada with an engine the car was not designed or built for with probably twice the bhp the car should have A modified retro car forum probably isn’t the place the place to call people out for having modified retro cars It’s not about what you perceive the risks to be, it’s in black and white. And no one cares about opinions, we are just here for cool cars the only problem with a mk2 Granada having twice the power is that it doesn’t have 3 times... Couldn’t find a Granada, so here’s a cortina
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Rich
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Jan 16, 2021 17:43:28 GMT
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driving round In a mk2 Granada with an engine the car was not designed or built for with probably twice the bhp the car should have A modified retro car forum probably isn’t the place the place to call people out for having modified retro cars It’s not about what you perceive the risks to be, it’s in black and white. And no one cares about opinions, we are just here for cool cars the only problem with a mk2 Granada having twice the power is that it doesn’t have 3 times... Couldn’t find a Granada, so here’s a cortina Couldn't have put that better myself. That's probably why I didn't
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