2005 Kia Sorento into a 1932 Ford Hot Rod

[braithwaite]

Dec 12, 2021 13:56:39 GMT grenade said:

Hello! First thoughts were KIA? UGHhh...
But as I continued reading I thought "Hey, it's cheap, funny and useful so why not?"
Now that I see the donuts in the field and the "we just do not care" attitude, the KIA is great. Did I just say that out loud? shhh
On to the vision and the creativity part of your build-
FANfreakinTASTIC. Moving the engine, changing the suspension- HOT DANG IT that's a cool thing 'ya got there!

Really great work so far and I hope it makes you all laugh a lot. Enjoy the process because the finished project is only part of it. It's all fun and this is a big 'ole box of WIN.

I swear if I buy a rusty kia 4x4 it's all your fault. Carry on then!

Really appreciate the words of encouragement! I think there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity and I always seem to be on the wrong side of said line hahaha! 

[braithwaite]

It's great to see so many people getting on board with this! It's only a small post tonight sorry! 

Having made a basic frame to join body to chassis the next step was to start to plan out the grille and bonnet mounting. Using the 25 x 25 x 2mm box I made a series of slits to curve it so it would match a plywood template I'd cut out to match the inside of the grille shell. I've not finished welding it as I want to make everything fit then do final welding and finishing later on. Frame made I then made some 20 x 20 x 2mm box uprights and welded those to the chassis. The beauty of that is the larger box slides over the smaller box giving me locating pins for this frame as well as a way to remove it for access to the front of the engine. 









Bonnet just rested on for the visual. It will need some tweaks and I'll probably find when we have a radiator it's completely wrong but hey that's what it's all about right? Right?! 

Ta ta and farewell, Braithwaite. 

[brachunky]

Loving this! What are you doing with the wiring/electronics, modding the KIA stuff or new ecu etc?

[braithwaite]

Dec 13, 2021 0:07:26 GMT brachunky said:

Loving this! What are you doing with the wiring/electronics, modding the KIA stuff or new ecu etc?

The plan is use the existing stuff for the engine side of things and thin out anything we don't need, for lights etc. we plan to make up our own loom. 

[dieselmax]

Looks like an interesting project. Subscribed!

Daan

[brachunky]

I see they can be remapped to 200 bhp & 470 nm, could be a very swift little thing

[maf260]

I'm really enjoying this. Very different with some great fabrication thrown in. I don't have the imagination or skill to build something like this, so kudos to you for having both!

[braithwaite]

Dec 13, 2021 9:53:12 GMT brachunky said:

I see they can be remapped to 200 bhp & 470 nm, could be a very swift little thing

If this was mine I probably would, but my brother is going from 60hp Up! to 150hp Hot Rod is probably enough of a jump hahaha

[braithwaite]

Dec 13, 2021 11:24:51 GMT maf260 said:

I'm really enjoying this. Very different with some great fabrication thrown in. I don't have the imagination or skill to build something like this, so kudos to you for having both!

Cheers for the appreciation! I would though that stupidity prevails with confidence hahahaha! Most of the time I have no idea what I'm doing I just start welding things together! 

[braithwaite]

Continuing on, with the grille shell mounted up we needed some metal inside to mount steering and pedals to as well as give the shell a bit of strength. Some hefty box (can't remember size right now) was bent using a pipe bender to match the dash contour and body contours then some of the 25mm stuff was used to made the front section. This all bolts in and bolts to the frame welded to the chassis that the body sits onto. Making the frame also then means when we come to fit doors we have a sturdy structure for the hinges and so on. 

The corners on the front section of frame need to be tidied as I welded some neat corner pieces on only to find they fouled on the fibreglass (curse word it!) so will be neatened up when everything comes apart for coats of paint. 














Now that all that was made we could mount the first part of the steering column to work out where to cut a hole in the bulkhead. The column is going to need extending because for some reason re-arranging the layout of a car makes everything not fit anymore... We then made up some supports for the grille so we can use them for mounting stuff and see what parts are going to be poking out the bonnet sides. The plan is to have some power bulges but keep it fairly sedate, a little hint of steampunk but not over doing it and making it look or forced or like that's the theme we want. If we need to run pipes externally we make it a feature but only if that's a necessity not to make it showy and unnecessarily complicated. 



Catching you all up nicely, soon these updates will be as it happens. 

Side note: Does anyone know someone who can make/modify an intercooler for me please? I'm located in East Sussex so nearer the better!


Ta Ta and farewell, Braithwaite.

[93fxdl]

Probably me missing something, why will this need biva? Keeping chassis,engine ,trans axles, suspension and steering, so shouldn't it be just a rebody?
Ttfn Glenn

[75swb]

Dec 14, 2021 0:00:15 GMT 93fxdl said:

Probably me missing something, why will this need biva? Keeping chassis,engine ,trans axles, suspension and steering, so shouldn't it be just a rebody?
Ttfn Glenn

Shortened chassis I suspect.

[Davey]

Is there not a complication with moving engine position also?

Loving this, really starting to look the part.

[kevins]

Dec 14, 2021 1:08:32 GMT 75swb said:

Dec 14, 2021 0:00:15 GMT 93fxdl said:

Probably me missing something, why will this need biva? Keeping chassis,engine ,trans axles, suspension and steering, so shouldn't it be just a rebody?
Ttfn Glenn

Shortened chassis I suspect.

Yes if you look at the early photos the front crossmember and body mounts have been removed, I can see why they wouldn't suit the style of vehicle.

My reading of the rules is that moving the engine would not affect the BIVA requirement as long as you don't cut the chassis to do it.

[Davey]

Dec 14, 2021 11:43:04 GMT kevins said:

Dec 14, 2021 1:08:32 GMT 75swb said:

Shortened chassis I suspect.

Yes if you look at the early photos the front crossmember and body mounts have been removed, I can see why they wouldn't suit the style of vehicle.

My reading of the rules is that moving the engine would not affect the BIVA requirement as long as you don't cut the chassis to do it.

Interesting, I had assumed removing engine mounts would amount to cutting the frame. Nice that the rules are as clear as mud.

[bricol]

My reading of it is that 8 points, of which 5 must come from "un-modified" chassis, allows you to keep the original registration number.

It doesn't get you out of an IVA test . . .

[tofufi]

Dec 14, 2021 14:40:26 GMT bricol said:

My reading of it is that 8 points, of which 5 must come from "un-modified" chassis, allows you to keep the original registration number.

It doesn't get you out of an IVA test . . .

My understanding is that in the eyes of DVLA, if it has the original reg number, it is the original vehicle.

If it's the original vehicle, it's registered and therefore doesn't need an IVA.

If it loses the identity, it's a new vehicle in the eyes of DVLA, and needs an IVA to be registered.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing this one progress

[bricol]

Dec 14, 2021 15:12:21 GMT tofufi said:

Dec 14, 2021 14:40:26 GMT bricol said:

My reading of it is that 8 points, of which 5 must come from "un-modified" chassis, allows you to keep the original registration number.

It doesn't get you out of an IVA test . . .

My understanding is that in the eyes of DVLA, if it has the original reg number, it is the original vehicle.

If it's the original vehicle, it's registered and therefore doesn't need an IVA.

If it loses the identity, it's a new vehicle in the eyes of DVLA, and needs an IVA to be registered.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing this one progress

It'll come under "radically altered" vehicle - its certainly not the original vehicle, a Kia Sorento, so you need the details changing to be able to insure it and be legal if anything happens out on the road.  MOT man, if he is being correct, would have to report it too.

Pass IVA, and the 8 points let you keep the original registration and not get a "Q" plate - although it may then be noted as "non-transferable" so if you want a particular plate on it, do it now.

IVA manual is a free download, so worth giving a good coat of looking at and even ringing local test center or emailing them - always found them very helpful for the three cars I've put through.

Building with the intention to pass the test is a lot easier than having to make changes to - and also means you aren't flagged up as trouble from the first attempt 

[blackpopracing]

No need to get a Q plate - you will be able to get a 'new' plate of the same year as the Kia. You have proof of using at least 2 main components of the original vehicle (engine & box) and as you are using the chassis/suspension/steering its a slam dunk to get a transferrable same year of doner reg.

As for needing IVA - yes as he's modified ther chassis - unmodified it would be classed as a rebody.

Once passed IVA it will have the full 14 points again.

Bookmarked

[VIP]

Dec 14, 2021 15:53:23 GMT bricol said:

Dec 14, 2021 15:12:21 GMT tofufi said:

My understanding is that in the eyes of DVLA, if it has the original reg number, it is the original vehicle.

If it's the original vehicle, it's registered and therefore doesn't need an IVA.

If it loses the identity, it's a new vehicle in the eyes of DVLA, and needs an IVA to be registered.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing this one progress

It'll come under "radically altered" vehicle - its certainly not the original vehicle, a Kia Sorento, so you need the details changing to be able to insure it and be legal if anything happens out on the road.  MOT man, if he is being correct, would have to report it too.

Pass IVA, and the 8 points let you keep the original registration and not get a "Q" plate - although it may then be noted as "non-transferable" so if you want a particular plate on it, do it now.

IVA manual is a free download, so worth giving a good coat of looking at and even ringing local test center or emailing them - always found them very helpful for the three cars I've put through.

Building with the intention to pass the test is a lot easier than having to make changes to - and also means you aren't flagged up as trouble from the first attempt 

You've got it a bit backwards, you don't need to pass an IVA if you've got 8 points, it is deemed still within the original Type Approval and just keeps the original ID.

This particular example won't pass the 8-point check however, and therefore will require an IVA. As BPR says, however, it can be allocated an age-related plate relevant to the donor vehicle instead of a non-age Q-plate.