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Well it's been a little while, Christmas happened and then we had some head scratching to do but we've now got this:  A structure of sorts to help keep the occupants a little further from death and also to help mount seat belts etc. onto. I know it's no racing cage and probably isn't going to do a whole lot because of the lack of triangles blah blah blah but this wasn't meant to be a racing car and if a Hot Rod doesn't make you feel a little sketchy its not a Hot Rod.     For the rear of the cage we had to add a cross member and some outriggers. 50x100x3mm box iirc. I'm no weld magician but these welds are starting to look much better, I've had plenty of welding practise and that's not to say the rest is pigeon poo, but I always want them to be the stacked dimes kind of welds and feels like it's getting there! By the end of this project it'll look mint, all ready for the Ital! That's all for now! Braithwaite Really good to see the updated story. Welding will do just fine. |
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looking mint, keep at it!
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Feb 13, 2022 20:08:12 GMT
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Today was spent sifting through wiring and plugging things back in to see if the engine would turn over, there's no fuel or coolant lines hooked up but if it turns over then it's no been immobilised. After some teething issues it lives! After moving it around and cutting bits of loom off we haven't totally knackered it and now can focus on making it run and drive! Very chuffed!  Braithwaite. |
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Just because there's a rulebook doesn't mean you have to read it.
cpt.braithwaite on the Instagrams
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Feb 16, 2022 11:19:54 GMT
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Could you stick a diagonal across the rear legs somewhere, or are you hoping to keep a boot of sorts?
More to help with body flex / rattling than anything.
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Feb 16, 2022 11:27:47 GMT
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This is looking all kinds of fantastic...!!
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***GARAGE CURRENTLY EMPTY***
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tofufi
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Feb 16, 2022 13:14:14 GMT
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Better to check tank with something thinner than water, panel wipe or some thinners etc as petrol will find holes that water may not. Rubbing some talc/chalk dust etc on the welds and sloshing the liquid around to cover the weld areas - the powder will show very quickly any damp spots. I use a precision air pressure regulator and put 1.5 psi in after sealing the tank up. This is much more than the fuel will impart. Use soapy water to leak test. If you have a leak you are not welding a tank that has had thinners in. The air pressure is the way tanks are tested for type approval purposes. Doesn't have to be a lot of pressure, just make sure it holds a very low positive pressure (or even a vacuum) for a significant period of time without the pressure changing.  I'm loving this thread, bookmarked! |
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Feb 16, 2022 18:21:21 GMT
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I don't know if its possible but if you can, will you stand well back and get a photo of it??
I am interested in how its looking overall..
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Caught the latest vid update, it's coming along well.
As above, let's see loads of pics!
Also, you can't make comments like 'it lives!' and then not post a video, I think that's illegal on forums...
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Feb 17, 2022 10:52:37 GMT
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i'd try and sneak some diagonals into the sides of your cage and some decent corner gussets
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Feb 17, 2022 22:17:34 GMT
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Could you stick a diagonal across the rear legs somewhere, or are you hoping to keep a boot of sorts? More to help with body flex / rattling than anything. Plan is to keep a boot area, I'd like to have gone all out on building a proper cage but it's never going to be raced and for what it'll be used for would just be adding weight it doesn't need. |
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Just because there's a rulebook doesn't mean you have to read it.
cpt.braithwaite on the Instagrams
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Feb 17, 2022 22:18:41 GMT
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I use a precision air pressure regulator and put 1.5 psi in after sealing the tank up. This is much more than the fuel will impart. Use soapy water to leak test. If you have a leak you are not welding a tank that has had thinners in. The air pressure is the way tanks are tested for type approval purposes. Doesn't have to be a lot of pressure, just make sure it holds a very low positive pressure (or even a vacuum) for a significant period of time without the pressure changing.  I'm loving this thread, bookmarked! I think I'll make some sort of adaptor to allow us to pressurise it a tiny amount and spray it with soapy water to see where the bubbles come from. |
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Just because there's a rulebook doesn't mean you have to read it.
cpt.braithwaite on the Instagrams
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Feb 17, 2022 22:19:50 GMT
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I don't know if its possible but if you can, will you stand well back and get a photo of it?? I am interested in how its looking overall.. When the weather dries the ground out I'll roll it outside and get a better pic, there's not quite enough space inside for a good all over picture unfortunately! |
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Just because there's a rulebook doesn't mean you have to read it.
cpt.braithwaite on the Instagrams
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Feb 17, 2022 22:22:18 GMT
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i'd try and sneak some diagonals into the sides of your cage and some decent corner gussets Thanks for the suggestion! The cage isn't totally finished, the main hope is going to get corner gussets like you've suggested as they'll double up as seatbelt mounting points. We want to keep the windows as clear of tubes as possible but I will look into a way of bracing it if possible. |
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Just because there's a rulebook doesn't mean you have to read it.
cpt.braithwaite on the Instagrams
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Feb 17, 2022 22:23:42 GMT
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Caught the latest vid update, it's coming along well. As above, let's see loads of pics! Also, you can't make comments like 'it lives!' and then not post a video, I think that's illegal on forums... Always want want want hahahaha yeah good point, It doesn't run yet, but it turns over so it's not been immobilised from us removing a HUGE amount of wires. |
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Just because there's a rulebook doesn't mean you have to read it.
cpt.braithwaite on the Instagrams
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Strangely I have just bought a 2005 Sorrento of the same spec as my parts hauler and tip run heap.
I have no plans to stick a plastic body on it.
Carry on.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Feb 18, 2022 10:50:54 GMT
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it’s probably already been said
but the way things are going around modified cars this is going to be the way forward build it legal to save any future issues.
i keep seeing rods buggies kit cars for sale that are registered as the original donar car probably worse now there is MOT exemption and 9/10 there wouldn’t be issues but in the events of an accident you can imagine the insurance nightmare.
most popular is 356 speedster still registered as a beetle would love one but really wouldn’t want the legalities come into play
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Feb 18, 2022 12:14:25 GMT
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The rules have been in place for years and are not hard to understand. I don't care what other people do but my junk is all legal. The peace of mind is priceless.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Feb 18, 2022 19:27:48 GMT
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This and my other project Morris Ital V8 will end up on the Q plate, I don't care about the reg number, these two things are built by people of questionable knowledge so taking it for an annual safety check is fine with me. crockpot 10/10 DO NOT put a plastic body on it, it's a ballache and an exercise I will not be repeating in a hurry... While on the subject of IVA stuff, can anyway help me with seat stuff? Can I fit homemade bomber seats or do the seats need CE marks? blackpopracing you seem the man in the know! Braithwaite. |
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Just because there's a rulebook doesn't mean you have to read it.
cpt.braithwaite on the Instagrams
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Feb 18, 2022 19:53:47 GMT
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The BIVA manual is clear on seats. They need to satisfy strength requirements, they must have a headrest to meet the minimum dimensions,tilt mechanisms must be of suitable design. There is no other standards to meet.
Bomber seats are fine, if fixed and non tilting they just need a headrest to dimensions (a separate one is ok) and you'll be fine.
I have a copy of the manual for my build, I also have a notebook with separate sections for each of the manual sections (if they apply) which I make notes in as I go to ensure I don't miss anything.
Edit. If you use seats with built in seatbelts it gets more involved.
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Last Edit: Feb 18, 2022 19:55:48 GMT by crockpot
Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Feb 18, 2022 21:03:16 GMT
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The BIVA manual is clear on seats. They need to satisfy strength requirements, they must have a headrest to meet the minimum dimensions,tilt mechanisms must be of suitable design. There is no other standards to meet. Bomber seats are fine, if fixed and non tilting they just need a headrest to dimensions (a separate one is ok) and you'll be fine. I have a copy of the manual for my build, I also have a notebook with separate sections for each of the manual sections (if they apply) which I make notes in as I go to ensure I don't miss anything. Edit. If you use seats with built in seatbelts it gets more involved. Super star! I do read the manual regularly but sometimes I get myself properly in a muddle with it so having someone who has worked it out is a great help!! |
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Just because there's a rulebook doesn't mean you have to read it.
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