NSL=50?

[herald948]

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article5864847.ece

Seems life's going to get a little slower.

Discuss.

[iang]

thats complete madness, what would they benifit from lowering the nsl to 50?

[markbognor]

Most folk would then only be doing 60-65 and the nutters would only be doing 80.

overall fuel consumption would drop because speeds would come down.

Although there might be more accidents as people fall asleep from boredom.

[Adam]

Its the average speed camera bit I hate.

Everyone will be sat there dot on 50 watching their speedometers not where they are going! I almost had a guy drive into the side of me on the M4 last weekend because he wasn't watching where he was going in an average speed camera section.

[rtlkyuubi]

Thats madness

“We all know some rural roads where the 60mph limit is ridiculous, although there are equally others where it suits. So it is a case of getting that balance.”

Its not the 60mph limit thats ridiculous, its the retard drivers out there that cant drive, nor can they alter their speed depending on the road conditions. So they end up crashing and blaiming that the speed limit is too high!

Its gonna be pretty boring to drive if they do this aswell. Near me they already reduced the speedlimit on the A57

maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=53.339176,-1.187811&spn=0.029929,0.090981&z=14
(from where sheffield road joins to the B6041 roundabout)

As you can see its a pretty straight road and the lanes are really wide.

[rmad]

I get the feeling that ultimately this thread is whinge bin bound, but until then.

In a great number of cases the NSL on rural roads is ridiculous and allows people to speed legally as well as put pressure on safe driving (but not stupid or slow) non locals.

What I'd actually prefer is for people to keep (and in some cases, learn) the ability to base their speed on the circumstances and conditions. I don't need a speed limit to tell me to slow down in built up areas or indeed one to tell me that 90mph is unsafe at 3am on an empty stretch of motorway I've driven for years. I certainly don't like being told to do 40 on an empty three-lane barriered carriageway when my driving skills, expererience and knowledge tell me different.

In short how about teaching drivers the skill of reading roads rather than trying to increase safety from an office somewhere.

[JohnnySomersett]

I'm of the opinion that, rather than concentrate on speed being the supposed 'cause' of all accidents, rather look at the general populations actual driving IQ.

Most accidents Ive seen/heard of/read about/etc have been more the case of the person driving like an idiot and selfishly:

a) Lights on full beam blinding a driver to crash
b) Tailgating (pet hate)
c) Over hesitance (people on roundabouts especially)
d) Not indicating
e) Pulling out with insufficient time
f) Excessive speed in bad weather

etc etc

If they actually addressed these sorts of issues at the source, then a vast proportion of accidents wouldnt happen. The police should have the power to issue what Id call 'Idiot Fines' and people should be reassessed/refresher-coursed every few years. Also, I think there should be a much harder test at the beginning, plus a re-test 2 years afterwards.

Plus an IQ test before allowing a provisional license - but I doubt that would ever happen LOL

[moggyman]

Mar 8, 2009 10:40:07 GMT rmad said:

I get the feeling that ultimately this thread is whinge bin bound, but until then.

In a great number of cases the NSL on rural roads is ridiculous and allows people to speed legally as well as put pressure on safe driving (but not stupid or slow) non locals.

What I'd actually prefer is for people to keep (and in some cases, learn) the ability to base their speed on the circumstances and conditions. I don't need a speed limit to tell me to slow down in built up areas or indeed one to tell me that 90mph is unsafe at 3am on an empty stretch of motorway I've driven for years. I certainly don't like being told to do 40 on an empty three-lane barriered carriageway when my driving skills, expererience and knowledge tell me different.

In short how about teaching drivers the skill of reading roads rather than trying to increase safety from an office somewhere.

Nail, head, hit, not necessarily in that order!

[HoTWire]

It suprises me the amount of people that don't know that the national speed limit is already 60 on non-dual carriage way roads... it suprises me even more the amount of people that don't know what a dual carriage way roady is!

I think everyone should do the Speed Choice course when they pass their test. It is very educational.


This will eventually end up in whinge bin, simply to keep the board clean, but for the time being it can live

[mattblack]

I can't belive the number of people who don't seem to know the NSL on dual carrigeways is 70...

Ones that really boil my pi$$ are the 'one speed w@nkers'... "30 limit? I'm doing 45 so I'll overtake you... now it's 60? oh, you've caught up because I'm still doing 45..."

And before this goes in the WB, can someone show me the bit in the new highway code where it says "You MUST have a blown headlight AND sidelight bulb on the same side at all times..."

Annnddd breathe... ;D

[Lewis]

It's this whole thing of using common sense and maintaining an appropriate speed for the conditions.

Unfortunately both are seemingly absent these days, judging by the majority of the population....

[TheFrequentFryer]

Unfortunatley it is speed control for the lower common denominator.
Can't allow for common sense, because stupid people don't have any, so legislate for stupid people and restrict everyone.

[magnumpi]

As already mentioned it's the idiots on the roads that cause 90%+ of the accidents.

I hate the whole Big Brother is watching you, it's getting like a dictatorship, hows about real Police, not cameras, for example cameras won't nick the plebs sitting in the middle lane etc.


And my last curse word is "Accidents cause 3000 deaths a year", Ok and how many billions of journeys are made every year?

Smoking related death= 114000 a yr
Drinking related death (97)= 8724yr

Maybe the Goverment has got it's prioritys wrong

[scaryoldcortina]

Well, while its here then, whats got me worried is the new laws that allow for prison sentences for motoring offences. Last month Lord Ahmed, a Labour peer, got 12 weeks inside for using a mobile phone while driving, despite the fact that it had nothing to do with the accident he was subsequently involved in and he was cleared of blame for the accident itself. This says to me that ANYONE could find themselves doing a stretch for no real reason at all, and that bothers me a lot.

[Fuzzy]

Screw this, I'm moving abroad.

[herald948]

Mar 8, 2009 12:07:51 GMT HoTWire said:

This will eventually end up in whinge bin, simply to keep the board clean, but for the time being it can live

I'm nothing if not a troublemaker!

[Tim]

Mar 8, 2009 12:41:14 GMT mattblack said:

I can't belive the number of people who don't seem to know the NSL on dual carrigeways is 70...

Ones that really boil my pi$$ are the 'one speed w@nkers'... "30 limit? I'm doing 45 so I'll overtake you... now it's 60? oh, you've caught up because I'm still doing 45..."

And before this goes in the WB, can someone show me the bit in the new highway code where it says "You MUST have a blown headlight AND sidelight bulb on the same side at all times..."

Annnddd breathe... ;D

Been driving on the IoW recently then?

"whats that coming the other way? Oh its a motorbike...squint squint....ah, no its a car with its drivers side lights out hugging the centre line...curse word"

[Negative Creep]

Road deaths - 3000
Hospital infection deaths - 8,324 (2007)


Could someone tell me what is more important?

[HoTWire]

Mar 8, 2009 16:48:41 GMT Negative Creep said:

Road deaths - 3000
Hospital infection deaths - 8,324 (2007)


Could someone tell me what is more important?

Both of them are equal,.. your argument is flawed. One is not more important than the other, you are also implying that nothing is being done about Hospital based infection with that question, and you are wrong in that regard.


Once again I would suggest that if you get the chance, go on the Speed Choice course, it is most interesting.

[dollywobbler]

Oh dear. Vast swages of Oxfordshire have been battered by 50mph speed limits. I bet if they reduced the speed limit to 10mph, no-one would die! Even good stretches of clear road have a 50 limit. The A361 between Daventry and Banbury drops to 50 every time the road goes into Oxfordshire (which it does twice) but the Northants bits are still 60!

What I'd prefer is if they did away with NSL signs and just put 60 instead. The daftest set of signs I've ever seen is coming off the A1 to join the A47 into Peterborough. As you come off the dual carriageway, there are 60 signs. Then, a bit down a single-carriageway, there are NSL signs!! So, the speed limit goes from 60 to 60. Well done people! That must confuse people.