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I've had a logbook discrepancy inspection - It's sometimes triggered when the details inputted by a MoT tester don't match the computerized record for the vehicle, presumably to catch ringers. You get a letter asking you to confirm physical details of the car (including "front number plate" AND "back number plate" - I found that amusing ;D ) In my case it was an early '90s Nissan Primera that had 2 digits transposed on its chassis number (computer error), and it was rectified without inspection and the logbook amended. I'm not surprised that people trying to transfer valuable plates off seriously modified cars are having problems, too many years of the same Morris Minor being presented with 100 different registrations by plate dealers have left local offices suspicious to the point of paranoia about anything that doesn't look 100% correct when asked to do a cherished transfer. So- Be safe, Be aware, but above all DON'T PANIC
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Oh, one final point re the "green" lobby - My zetec engined cortina returns 45mpg average (thanks to fuel injection, a light car and a tall back axle). With the original 1600 xflow it would be closer to 25, and the mondeo that donated the engine would have struggled to better 35.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Agreed re the 'greens', we are doing our bit for the planet by NOT buying new cars, extending the life of existing vehicles, recycling etc etc ...but that's a whole other issue and thread
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billy
Part of things
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Jun 13, 2009 10:42:30 GMT
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I've had a logbook discrepancy inspection - It's sometimes triggered when the details inputted by a MoT tester don't match the computerized record for the vehicle, presumably to catch ringers. You get a letter asking you to confirm physical details of the car (including "front number plate" AND "back number plate" - I found that amusing ;D ) In my case it was an early '90s Nissan Primera that had 2 digits transposed on its chassis number (computer error), and it was rectified without inspection and the logbook amended. So- Be safe, Be aware, but above all DON'T PANIC I had that letter and form with my old polo it had managed 14 years with the wrong chassis number on the log book
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IVAGeezerGarage
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Jun 13, 2009 13:21:17 GMT
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had a quick scan of thread, dunno if anyone has pointed out yet but this is the same as tax exemption and old mot regs etc, the two points against the regs tightening up as i see it are one the thousands of vehicles that would have to be checked due to a change, buggy's, kit cars, hot rods, 4x4 and so on would be monumental task, not to mention the the proud owner army of said vehicles and two the amount of politicians and the like that have old and non compliant vehicles in their ample garages, i can't see Tim PM being very happy about taking his MG's and Austins to be checked over.
more to the fact, i come from spain where the ITV is very tight but still the dedicated find ways around it. hey it may even be good to stop under par home builds and shabby workmanship.
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Jun 13, 2009 15:00:05 GMT
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What about rear brakes on the front? I mean the whole backplate, shes, drum ect?
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Jun 13, 2009 16:21:08 GMT
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2 things there. Putting rears on fronts will reduce braking effort . Second BIVA states that front brakes must be self adjusting so discs needed really ( unless anyone knows of any self adjusting drums as I've not come across any?
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Jun 13, 2009 16:53:31 GMT
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If I get the papers and relevant information regarding the A35 the body is from, then can I register it as an A35, becuase I was talking to a guy today, who said that if you have the documentation and things then you can register it as an A35. Take a pro street road legal Cortina dragster: They body is from a Cortina, but the chassis is space frame. Yet, am I right in saying they don't need SVA tests.
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Jun 13, 2009 18:03:28 GMT
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Sorry , what he said is incorrect , go back and read some of SOC's posts where he links to the DVLA rules . While there may well be cars registered in that manner ie body on new chassis ,they are only legal if done before 1998 and on a Q plate ( because they have a new chassis not supplied by OEM or their agent) That's the honest truth from someone who deals with this on a daily basis and has been involved in depth with the DVLA for over 30 years NOT a guy down the pubs whose mates cousin knows someone who once worked for DVLA That's not to say you can't rebody your kitten chassis and NOT have to go for BIVA. However there should be no chassis mods other than changing body mounts . You can use a secondhand body ( we have the confirmation from Policy Division on that which we can foraward to anyone when they need it ) but it won't be called an A35 as you are not allowed to use copyright names. What you need is the V5C for the Kitten and apply for a rebody inspection when ,if accepted , you will have to rename both the manufacturer and style. Once registered you can make changes per DVLAs rules for Radically Altered Vehicles www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199It is possible to do the mods beforehand but you may have a struggle to convince them of their own rules.
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Last Edit: Jun 13, 2009 18:05:26 GMT by kapri
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Jun 13, 2009 18:35:05 GMT
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(unless anyone knows of any self adjusting drums as I've not come across any? All drum systems of the modern era are self-adjusting. By modern, I mean designed after about 1950. And a good many were self-adjusting before that! Mr. Ferrari used drum brakes on all 4 corners into the '60s. Toyota uses them on the rear of the Prius, for example, for less drag than discs, which was Mr. Ferrari's point. New choo-choo trains and jumbo jets used drums up until recently. The original muscle cars, like the GTO, used drums on all 4 corners, even offering finned ally versions of them for racing. All self-adjusting. Norm
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Jun 13, 2009 20:16:45 GMT
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(unless anyone knows of any self adjusting drums as I've not come across any? All drum systems of the modern era are self-adjusting. By modern, I mean designed after about 1950. And a good many were self-adjusting before that! Mr. Ferrari used drum brakes on all 4 corners into the '60s. Toyota uses them on the rear of the Prius, for example, for less drag than discs, which was Mr. Ferrari's point. New choo-choo trains and jumbo jets used drums up until recently. The original muscle cars, like the GTO, used drums on all 4 corners, even offering finned ally versions of them for racing. All self-adjusting. Norm Maybe in the US Norm, but we were a little a behind the times here I recon... BMC stuff with drums all round were on manual adjusters into the 70's and beyond... as were Ford IIRC. My 1984 Vauxhall Cavalier had manual adjusters, Rootes had self adjusting rear drums in the 60's (that didn't... ) Unless of course you mean self servo
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Last Edit: Jun 13, 2009 20:21:13 GMT by mattblack
... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Jun 13, 2009 20:20:56 GMT
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I said "designed".
I'm certain that antiquated systems are *still* being fitted even today.
But self-adjusting drums are olde hat, now, for well over half a century.
And, by the way, discs are an antiquated system too. Well over 100 years old. (Lanchester patent, 1902)
Disc brakes are nothing more than a drum turned vertical anyway, shoe being flat rather than curved. The caliper nothing but an inward pushing "wheel cylinder". The differences between the two systems being fairly unimpressive. In fact, it is possible today to make a drum system lighter, covering more sq-in of friction surface, shielded from hydroplaning, zero drag, and self-energizing as opposed to disc systems, of which most are exposed to weather, non-self-energizing, heavier, draggy, and need rather larger diameters to gain friction surface increases.
These days, with alloys and carbon compounds, it's actually more a question of marketing than engineering, as to choosing discs by default. Because drums are an excellent system. And becoming more superior, or at least on par, to discs as materials science removes their technical deficits. Thus Toyota's choice of them for the Prius rear axle.
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Last Edit: Jun 13, 2009 20:31:16 GMT by Team Blitz
Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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Jun 13, 2009 20:29:08 GMT
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Sorry , what he said is incorrect , go back and read some of SOC's posts where he links to the DVLA rules . While there may well be cars registered in that manner ie body on new chassis ,they are only legal if done before 1998 and on a Q plate ( because they have a new chassis not supplied by OEM or their agent) That's the honest truth from someone who deals with this on a daily basis and has been involved in depth with the DVLA for over 30 years NOT a guy down the pubs whose mates cousin knows someone who once worked for DVLA That's not to say you can't rebody your kitten chassis and NOT have to go for BIVA. However there should be no chassis mods other than changing body mounts . You can use a secondhand body ( we have the confirmation from Policy Division on that which we can foraward to anyone when they need it ) but it won't be called an A35 as you are not allowed to use copyright names. What you need is the V5C for the Kitten and apply for a rebody inspection when ,if accepted , you will have to rename both the manufacturer and style. Once registered you can make changes per DVLAs rules for Radically Altered Vehicles www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199It is possible to do the mods beforehand but you may have a struggle to convince them of their own rules. So instead of saying it is an A35 body with a Kitten chassis, you say it is a Kitten chassis with a rebodied A35 shell? Am I right? Does this avoid the IVA, even with the Pop front axle?
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Jun 13, 2009 20:32:24 GMT
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Original Pontiac GTO: the restorer's guide 1964-1974 by Thomas A. DeMauro Says....
ScaryOldCortina says
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Jun 13, 2009 20:37:47 GMT
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Original Pontiac GTO: the restorer's guide 1964-1974 by Thomas A. DeMauro Says.... ScaryOldCortina says Mr. DeMauro gets all his tech info from me. Hey, DON'T PANIC, SOC, this is on topic! Ace stated: "Second BIVA states that front brakes must be self adjusting so discs needed really ( unless anyone knows of any self adjusting drums as I've not come across any?" It's in answer to the brake swap question on p.13. Shall I pour you a tea? Half-n-half? Sugar? Shoulders rubbed? ;D
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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Jun 13, 2009 20:43:13 GMT
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Sorry , what he said is incorrect , go back and read some of SOC's posts where he links to the DVLA rules . While there may well be cars registered in that manner ie body on new chassis ,they are only legal if done before 1998 and on a Q plate ( because they have a new chassis not supplied by OEM or their agent) That's the honest truth from someone who deals with this on a daily basis and has been involved in depth with the DVLA for over 30 years NOT a guy down the pubs whose mates cousin knows someone who once worked for DVLA That's not to say you can't rebody your kitten chassis and NOT have to go for BIVA. However there should be no chassis mods other than changing body mounts . You can use a secondhand body ( we have the confirmation from Policy Division on that which we can foraward to anyone when they need it ) but it won't be called an A35 as you are not allowed to use copyright names. What you need is the V5C for the Kitten and apply for a rebody inspection when ,if accepted , you will have to rename both the manufacturer and style. Once registered you can make changes per DVLAs rules for Radically Altered Vehicles www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199It is possible to do the mods beforehand but you may have a struggle to convince them of their own rules. So instead of saying it is an A35 body with a Kitten chassis, you say it is a Kitten chassis with a rebodied A35 shell? Am I right? Does this avoid the IVA, even with the Pop front axle? No, you are missing the point again. The pop axle means your chassis is modified - take that near a DVLA office and you are going to need BIVA, regardless of if you say its an a35 with a kitten chassis or a kitten with an A35 body. And, to do the change of bodystyle you NEED (or your logbook forever says "reliant kitten" when PC Friendly knows it isn't, cos his mam had one, etc..) you must get it inspected at a local office. Catch 22. Ace has already told you the way round, take the pop axle off, refit the kitten front suspension, and present it as an unmodified kitten rolling chassis (which will score enough points even if you fit a huge V8 and autobox ) with a change of body to your A35 shell. Once the logbook says "Stoprock special" or whatever you want to call it, THEN you could fit the pop axle, and join the rest of us in hoping the rules don't change again.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Jun 13, 2009 21:00:50 GMT
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I see. The only problem is that the front Kitten suspension is in poor shape. I had to cut the wishbone too becuase it was taking literally days to get the rubber bushes out from where they were attached at the chassis. But thanks for answering about the body and the chassis stuff.
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Rich G
Posted a lot
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Jun 13, 2009 21:17:47 GMT
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So instead of saying it is an A35 body with a Kitten chassis, you say it is a Kitten chassis with a rebodied A35 shell? Am I right? Does this avoid the IVA, even with the Pop front axle? Strop,with the Pop front axle - in a word NO! The key words to avoid BIVA are " Unmodified original chassis", as soon as you add the Pop axle you have modified the chassis - go straight to BIVA, do not pass go! ETA: buggah! - must type faster!
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Last Edit: Jun 13, 2009 21:20:11 GMT by Rich G
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Jun 13, 2009 21:37:32 GMT
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Sorry , what he said is incorrect , go back and read some of SOC's posts where he links to the DVLA rules . While there may well be cars registered in that manner ie body on new chassis ,they are only legal if done before 1998 and on a Q plate ( because they have a new chassis not supplied by OEM or their agent) That's the honest truth from someone who deals with this on a daily basis and has been involved in depth with the DVLA for over 30 years NOT a guy down the pubs whose mates cousin knows someone who once worked for DVLA That's not to say you can't rebody your kitten chassis and NOT have to go for BIVA. However there should be no chassis mods other than changing body mounts . You can use a secondhand body ( we have the confirmation from Policy Division on that which we can foraward to anyone when they need it ) but it won't be called an A35 as you are not allowed to use copyright names. What you need is the V5C for the Kitten and apply for a rebody inspection when ,if accepted , you will have to rename both the manufacturer and style. Once registered you can make changes per DVLAs rules for Radically Altered Vehicles www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199It is possible to do the mods beforehand but you may have a struggle to convince them of their own rules. So instead of saying it is an A35 body with a Kitten chassis, you say it is a Kitten chassis with a rebodied A35 shell? Am I right? Does this avoid the IVA, even with the Pop front axle? Yes re the rebody . Re Pop axle ,check the points sytem and you can tell me
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Just to let you all know the Bentley has now passed
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