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1967 Bond Equipe GT4SBenzBoy
@benzboy
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Feb 11, 2011 14:59:10 GMT
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I'm going to take it out for a run tomorrow so I'll see how she goes. It seems happy enough at the moment but it may require some tweaking still. The concensus on the interwebs seems to be that getting the timing right on these engines is to a degree down to trial and error. This seems to be the way with a lot of things - the recommended tyre pressure is "what suits you best", for example! My uncle came over for a visit this afternoon, he's a retired mechanic with lots of BLMC / Triumph experience. He reckons where it's at now should be alright, and I should "see how it goes". ;D One thought on the wildly advanced timing that I discovered - the hall sensor fits further around the dizzy than the old points, so that will have advanced the timing somewhat. It's possible that the timing was out anyway, but I think the electronic module has advanced it further. Still, it's corrected now. Fingers crossed it'll be alright for the Sunday outing.
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Feb 11, 2011 23:31:13 GMT
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Cigarettes, sunglasses and AA card just in case :-)
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Koos
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spacekadett
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F*cking take that Hans Brrix!!
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Feb 11, 2011 23:35:22 GMT
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I went and hooked up the timing light again to check all this over. It's hard to see how much advance I'm getting as the scale only goes up to 20 or so degrees. At any rate, I'm getting plenty of advance at high rpms and it's holding there - tested both with and without the vac pipe attached didn't make a deal of difference between the two. I can't see how total advance can be adjusted without fitting different bob weights or springs in the dizzy, if the timing at idle is correct? No, but checking that the timing does advance at something like the spec you have will tell you whether the bob weights are seized / sticking One of the Duceliers I took out the old Mini had jammed on full advance, which was interesting and I did wonder if this was the reason it was so advanced when you first checked it, but this post suggests it's doing something. I might still be inclined to have a peek at them anyway and make sure it's all moving as it should
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Mechanic's rule #1... If the car works, anything left on the floor after you finished wasn't needed in the first place
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1967 Bond Equipe GT4SBenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
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Feb 13, 2011 13:08:21 GMT
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No, but checking that the timing does advance at something like the spec you have will tell you whether the bob weights are seized / sticking One of the Duceliers I took out the old Mini had jammed on full advance, which was interesting and I did wonder if this was the reason it was so advanced when you first checked it, but this post suggests it's doing something. I might still be inclined to have a peek at them anyway and make sure it's all moving as it should As you say, it's advancing so must be working in some way! But I will have a poke about to make sure the springs and weights are as they should be. With the car having a history of being played with, it'll be worth checking it as you say. Maiden Voyage!
Today was the monthy RR FUCEM meet at the Limes Cafe. It was also the "shakedown run" for the Bond. Yesterday I'd taken it a mile or two down the road to get fuel, with no ill effects, so this morning me and my bro decided to take the plunge and take it to the meet. I was nervous but optimistic, and the Bond performed excellently! I was listening out for untoward noises, and questioning every squeak and rattle (there are a LOT of sqeaks and rattles but that's just due to the age of the car I think). The FUCEM gang gave a round of applause when we went into the cafe (thanks! ;D) and we had a great morning chatting to fellow petrol heads. The journey was about 40 miles there and back, and I'm really happy with it! I can now start to think about improving its looks - watch this space.
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Last Edit: Feb 13, 2011 13:38:16 GMT by BenzBoy
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Siert
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Feb 13, 2011 17:02:37 GMT
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Victory!
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Feb 13, 2011 17:08:30 GMT
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Awesome! great to see this going again
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Feb 13, 2011 17:36:14 GMT
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Congratulations ;D
The hard graft was worth it in the end!
--Phil
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Neil
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Feb 13, 2011 19:16:51 GMT
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nice one BB!
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1967 Bond Equipe GT4SBenzBoy
@benzboy
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Feb 15, 2011 14:07:37 GMT
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Thanks fellas, it means a lot to have your support. I knew if I just kept at it things would start going my way. Just a small update. Now that the car seems to be running well, I thought I'd start making things a little more comfortable. The wiring was a bit of a mess, with various wires hanging down going nowhere, the horn earthed through the heater pull cable and other delights. The horn was re-wired by me a while back, but I never got round to the heater blower. After I'd stripped out the wires that didn't seem to do anything, I managed to get the blower wire hooked up to a switched live that was just dangling under the dash. I'm fairly sure that wire was supposed to power the fan originally, but details are murky as to what wiring system they used on these cars (Herald? Spitfire?... who knows?!). Add to that the engine swap and possible Vitesse electrics like a 3-bobbin control box and we have a real puzzler. Still, it's working well now with no real idea as to why it was all unplugged in the first place. The blower blowing is all well and good, but without the ducting it wouldn't be much use! The original cardboard piping had long since disintegrated so I needed something to replace it with. Luckily, it turns out that a vacuum cleaner attachment is the perfect size! I sleeved the ends with some armoured piping of slightly bigger diameter that I had lying around, and it all slotted together nicely: So I have the luxury of windscreen demisting AND warm toes. Get me with my posh heater. I haven't replaced the heater valve yet - that thing's seized solid but is conveniently stuck half open, so I get heat into the cabin. I'll replace that valve when I have a spare twenty quid. Probably in the summer when I least need it. MOT time next week, which is always a nervous experience!
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Nathan
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1967 Bond Equipe GT4SNathan
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Feb 15, 2011 16:06:11 GMT
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YAY!!!
Your MOT should be fine dude, I bet you have only done 100miles since last year LOL
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1967 Bond Equipe GT4SBenzBoy
@benzboy
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Feb 15, 2011 20:05:28 GMT
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YAY!!! Your MOT should be fine dude, I bet you have only done 100miles since last year LOL It's true! ;D Probably about 300 miles since the last test, and I've rebuilt just about everything since then. Should be fine I reckon. Need a break in the weather so I can weld a patch on the chassis but that's all I need to do really, apart from the usual pre-test checks.
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bstardchild
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1967 Bond Equipe GT4Sbstardchild
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Feb 15, 2011 22:00:56 GMT
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Ahh how nice it would be to have a working heater - well done on getting some use out of it after all the hard times
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Seth
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Feb 15, 2011 22:14:19 GMT
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Dean, really good to see this is out and about. £20 for a heater valve means you must have a Smiths one not a Delany Galley! Ask Yantorsen how much they are for the DG's.... I spotted a GT4S on Ebay the other day with 2 litre running gear 5.5" steels too I reckon! Here it is.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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1967 Bond Equipe GT4SBenzBoy
@benzboy
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Feb 15, 2011 22:21:37 GMT
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BC - I'm in the lap of luxury now! ;D To be honest the car is that draughty I don't have many misting up problems! Must sort those door seals out.
Seth - yes, fortunately I have a Smiths one! I've tried soaking it in diesel but it won't free off. I gave up incase the diaphragm lets go. That 2.0 GT4S is in my watch list - just curious as to how much it goes for. There's a photo of it on my computer which must be from years ago when it was doing the rounds at shows. I hope it gets saved and not just bought for the engine.
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Seth
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Feb 15, 2011 22:29:31 GMT
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Seth - yes, fortunately I have a Smiths one! D-G ones are apparently better at heating though With the Heralds new engine there isn't space for the original valve but even before that it was running a plumbing spec manual valve for cost reasons I was kinda hoping you could buy it for the wheels, steering wheel, oh and maybe the engine too
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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MrSpeedy
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Feb 15, 2011 22:41:00 GMT
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P1ssing about with the old valve really ain't worth it. Trust me i know ! I guarantee it'll be the best £20 you spend ! Nice work with the ducting
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Feb 16, 2011 17:55:45 GMT
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Yay! She lives again! Congrats on persevering. A heater blower too? That really is posh. I didn't disconnect the blower and my only concern is that it might have been disconnected for a reason like overloading or something. Is it on a fused supply?
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1967 Bond Equipe GT4SBenzBoy
@benzboy
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Feb 16, 2011 18:18:49 GMT
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I was kinda hoping you could buy it for the wheels, steering wheel, oh and maybe the engine too I would love a 2.0 engine! I reckon this one owes me some mileage before it gets replaced though! ;D P1ssing about with the old valve really ain't worth it. Trust me I know ! I guarantee it'll be the best £20 you spend ! Nice work with the ducting Yeah the old one is a lost cause. I'll pick a new one up at some point, even in summer the mornings can be a bit chilly. Yay! She lives again! Congrats on persevering. A heater blower too? That really is posh. I didn't disconnect the blower and my only concern is that it might have been disconnected for a reason like overloading or something. Is it on a fused supply? Thanks! I think the guy that had it before you did some monkeying around with the electrics. It's not a fused supply, and I do worry about shorts and electrical fires with the wiring in general. I've been messing with the courtesy light in the dash today and worry that it'll short out or something. I have a fuse box which I intend to fit but that's going to involve some rather extensive re-wiring. Would be nice for peace of mind though! Perhaps when I fit the alternator I'll do all that.
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MrSpeedy
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Feb 16, 2011 18:50:35 GMT
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I was kinda hoping you could buy it for the wheels, steering wheel, oh and maybe the engine too I would love a 2.0 engine! I reckon this one owes me some mileage before it gets replaced though! ;D If all goes well and according to plan I'll be replacing the 2.0 in my Vitesse later this year. Been Dyno'd at a shade over 100bhp
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stealthstylz
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1967 Bond Equipe GT4Sstealthstylz
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Feb 16, 2011 19:11:29 GMT
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On a car of that age i'd look into making a completely new wiring loom. On something of that age its not a difficult job, probably 2 solid days or a weeks worth of evenings and a weekend. Will give you the peace of mind that all the wiring is in excellent condition, allow you to use a modern fuse box and also add extra circuits in without cutting into nigh on 50 year old wiring.
Matt
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