Budget Motoring! RENAMED! - Again!

[Deleted]

I cant help wondering over the last few months, and don't shoot me for this

But there is a no post 2000 rule, which I get. I also get that this is Retro rides and no one wants to see a forsale page full of 12 month old Mondeo's, we can go down the dealers or hit autotrader for that. The section is already filled with cars most wouldnt class as retro anyway.

But am I right in thinking essentially the section was aimed at folk wanting a cheap runner along side their retros, parts hauler, winter smoker etc. Now there seems to be some bargains coming though post 2000, that are locked simply because of the age of the car? Personally I could see it being more use, and more fitting as "Budget motoring" for there to be a price limit, rather than age limit?

What I mean is, if ya after a smoker, who cares if it's a 1984,1994 or a 2004 as long as it's cheap and does the job? Yet few folk are gonna see a £8000 "whatyamightcallit" as budget regardless of age even if it just squeezes in being a 1999.

Just my thoughts

and no, I'm not about to try and sell a 2001 summutorother ;D

[rmad]

Mar 17, 2011 16:47:46 GMT @weblefeck said:

But am I right in thinking essentially the section was aimed at folk wanting a cheap runner along side their retros, parts hauler, winter smoker etc.

Put simply, no. The budget section is for the cars that people call retro when they want to sell it on here and don't want to pay for a listing on ebay. There was so many of them (generally accompanied by sellers who had hours to spend sending argumentative PMs) that we created somewhere to put them. We called the section 'budget motoring' as it avoided another million PMs with people complaining about their ad being moved to the 'stuff that people shouldn't have posted on RR in the first place but we can't be bothered to argue' section.

As it happens the section is quite popular and works well for keeping the Vectras away from the Vivas in the main section as well as providing somewhere to pick up a cheap daily. It's a win win.

[Deleted]

No worries it was just summut i was thinking that's all ;D

[MartinC]

I thought it was POST (i.e. AFTER) 2000?
My ad for a 2000 'W' reg car has been locked despite being in the correct section. Not post 2000 and not over £1000 so ideal for our budget motoring section I'd have thought.

Shame that SkodaNorman feels an 11-year old car that had RETRO frontal styling from it's very design should be blocked like that.

RETROspective does not mean old you know!

[damien4884]

Well theres a 51 plate vetra for £1k on that hasn't been pulled yet!

I thought much the same as above, although mines not particularly retro stylee, it is a good daily/hack/car for the mrs if you have kids etc to cart about with all their related stuff.

Its not like i'm trying to get away without paying for advertising it is on ebay, just going by a few wanted posts there might be some interest here and i'd be willing to do a better deal for a RR'er than some random off ebay.

On another note can I put it in a few wanted posts or will it get pulled there too?

[JonnySierra]

Jun 11, 2011 7:06:14 GMT MartinC said:

I thought it was POST (i.e. AFTER) 2000?
My ad for a 2000 'W' reg car has been locked despite being in the correct section. Not post 2000 and not over £1000 so ideal for our budget motoring section I'd have thought.

Shame that SkodaNorman feels an 11-year old car that had RETRO frontal styling from it's very design should be blocked like that.

Pretend it's a '99 and blank the plate out?

LOL, I can look at a 1997 Megane Scenic but not a 2000 Megane Scenic? I somehow doubt than anyone is claiming the '97 is retro... And my kids' double buggy fits in one just as well as the other.

Surely life's too short for moderating stuff like this?!

[MartinC]

I understand the need for a line to be drawn somewhere, but I was WITHIN IT. Grrr...

[rmad]

Jun 11, 2011 8:38:02 GMT JonnySierra said:

Surely life's too short for moderating stuff like this?!

Yep.

It's a shame we have to.

[scholesy]

I like the idea of the budget section, good idea to try and seperate out the "normal" cheap to run cars (cheap to run not always meaning cheap to put fuel in)

The year 2000 cut off is a wise choice as it just makes moderation very black and white, otherwise defining retro is very hard, for example I would call some older cars I see on this site classics. It would always peeve someone off if you used opinion to decide what is and what isn't suitable, so a cut off date (especially a late one like 2000) is a good way to try and keep people happy I reckon.

Keep it up, site is awesome, I may have only signed up yesterday, but I have lurked for nearly a year and mostly just come to look what crazy stuff is for sale here. Thanks for a great site.

[scooters]

fair enough but please can you put the Rules for the Budget section on the Budget section...also..isn't having a 2000 cut off section which doesn't roll forward a bit like the government fixing the road tax exempt date?

I mean I've bought cars on here in 2007/8 that were less than 10 years old so was surprised to have my ad locked, no, I didn't read the budget section intro, for a 2004 focus, and was even more surprised to see a 2001 car get locked..hell, I've scrapped 3 post 2000 cars in as many months.

We don't want the site to be filled with ads for modern cars but my take on budget motoring has always been - it's cheap and I want to get rid of it. RR used to be fine for such ads - the 'community' selling daily drivers for bargain prices to each other.

I'm probably just grumpy for having spent 30 mins writing an ad only for it to be locked - I will check every moderation thread on the forum to ensure there are no other rules that are not appearing on 'The Rules' page!

[scooters]

oh - there it is - buried down the thread

[rmad]

There is a clickable link to the budget motoring explanation thread in the first post of the Section Rules.

[g40jon]

tbh I agree with the masses that the budget section should be done on price not age. I've seen a few cars that were old enough to be in the 'budget section' but were in way way, shape or form what I would call budget, I.e. sub £1500
Everything I have read in this thread so far seems to be constructive criticism, So I don't really understand the perceived negative responces to suggestions that could improve the section (thought negativity was frowned upon on here anyway! :-p). With a max limit of say £1500 you wouldn't get many cars under 10 years old for sale. It would also make it pretty simple to moderate.
As others have already said, there are pleanty of pre 2000 cars which aren't in the slightest bit retro, yet I can think of cars built after 2000 which do look retro depending on what you take retro to be.

[rmad]

My apologies if my replies have been perceived as negative. As has been said before, the budget motoring section has that title to avoid offending people. It's not supposed to be about finding cheap runabouts or merely a place to offload your boring daily driver.

To this end I've changed the title to avoid any confusion. If you want to buy or sell a car that is newer than 2000 then I'd suggest Autotrader, Gumtree, Ebay, a sign in your car window or an ad at your local newsagents.

[taurus]

Mar 18, 2011 7:05:01 GMT rmad said:

As it happens the section is quite popular and works well for keeping the Vectras away from the Vivas

I need something similar in my drive - my Vectra has just gone into my Viva (Vectra came off worst ;D)

Keep up the good work - this is one of my favourite bits of the forum.

[SamR380]

If you just want a cheap car, look on Gumtree. There will be much more choice and be much more local.

I think it's right that the 'budget motoring' on Retro Rides has rules and boundaries, in general, the rules and moderation are the best I've found on an online car forum. Wherever the boundaries are drawn, someone will moan.

[cobblers]

The way I see it is this section is a good inclusion because it sorts out "plain" old ish motors from the real good stuff and slows the page turnover on the real interesting adverts down, so someone selling something dead cool doesn't have to bump the advert 3 times a day just to keep it's head above the tide of Mondeos, Focuses and Meganes that nobody comes here to look for, and any interest they get in them would be purely coincidental.

It's like me standing outside macdonalds asking everyone if they want to buy a 25kg bag of sand. Eventually, I'll sell my sand, but nobody goes to macdonalds to buy sand and in the process I'll have wasted loads of peoples time.

There are stacks of better places to advertise and look for normal cars for sale.

I don't see why people 1: are even bothering to advertise them here, and 2: are getting in a tizzy about the advert being locked.

These people are completely missing the point of the for sale section on Retro Rides, and I personally hang the loosest definition on Retro of almost anyone here (I brought a '99 Lupo to RRG 10 FFS)

I don't try and advertise VW spares over on The Mini Forum, because it would be a waste my time. If I did, and someone deleted the thread I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist, even if there were no "rules" saying that no VW spares should be advertised. It's absolutely bloody obvious.

The mods on here have an awkward job and people completely missing the point of the for sale section don't make that any easier.

Let's hope this name change makes things even clearer for people!

[xbo11ox]

I'm amazed at folk grumbling about a great service which is completely FOC. Have a word with yourselves! if you don't like it don't use it!!! I've bought and sold loads of gear on here and really rate it as a source of old cars and parts for sale. These chumps that fill it up with 8 yr-old mondeos, scenics and lord knows what are doing no-one any favours except themselves.... then whinging when their stuff is banished to a separate page? the mind boggles. GET OVER YOURSELVES

PS can we have a separate section for new stuff that is advertised at £200, then when you click on the ad it explains that the £200 figure is a monthly payment. That works REALLY WELL on autotrader and is a great example of what happens when a good buying/selling service is filled up with idiots taking the mick out of it.

[rmad]

Apr 25, 2012 21:31:26 GMT xbo11ox said:

PS can we have a separate section for new stuff that is advertised at £200, then when you click on the ad it explains that the £200 figure is a monthly payment. That works REALLY WELL on autotrader and is a great example of what happens when a good buying/selling service is filled up with idiots taking the mick out of it.

I hate that. Along with 'real price £3999' when you do 'under £1000' searches. Sometimes it's half the cars in the results.

[DavidB]

OMG no 54 plate Vectras?!