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Jan 23, 2011 20:34:05 GMT
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If we could just pull this back on track a bit. At EU level it is possible to lobby and this is done by ETO but primarily they support the issues raised by there paying supporting organisations and GB is NOT represented. Members of DfT and VOSa are also at these meeting in the EU. I mentioned earlier in this thread about further info to come re legislation which may add fuel to limiting mileage on Historics. I'll stick the official press release at he bottom but primarly it is asking for MOT exemption as these vehicles do limited mileages. On a personal level I can't see this coming in as currently lots of MOT exemptions are actually being withdrawn to , once again, bring us inline with the EU. It is however yet more info being added to how little mileage Historic scover. PRESS RELEASE MOT TESTS FOR HISTORIC CARS MAY BE SCRAPPED The requirement to have an annual MOT test for pre-war cars may be scrapped following a meeting between Transport Minister Mike Penning and members of the All Party Parliamentary Historic Vehicles Group, of which Lord Montagu of Beaulieu is President. To view the full release and related files, please click here If you cannot use the link above, copy and paste the address below into your web browser's address bar: www.newspress.co.uk/public/ViewPressRelease.aspx?pr=26623&pr_ref=3286 beaulieu.co.uk Designed & Distributed by Newspress Ltd
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Jan 23, 2011 20:36:48 GMT
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Same way here, Arro.
I do more than trad lobbying. I put together campaigns, strategies that rise above yapping in offices with half-caring and half-attentive people whom we -the electorate- put there and pay for their "services".
Don't play the usual "this is Venus" and "your country is like Mars" thing. People are people. Politics is universal. Which is why professional strategists peddle their advice all over the globe irrespective of country or governmental system.
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2011 20:41:14 GMT by Team Blitz
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Jan 23, 2011 21:17:17 GMT
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If we could just pull this back on track a bit. At EU level it is possible to lobby and this is done by ETO but primarily they support the issues raised by there paying supporting organisations and GB is NOT represented. Members of DfT and VOSa are also at these meeting in the EU. I mentioned earlier in this thread about further info to come re legislation which may add fuel to limiting mileage on Historics. I'll stick the official press release at he bottom but primarly it is asking for MOT exemption as these vehicles do limited mileages. On a personal level I can't see this coming in as currently lots of MOT exemptions are actually being withdrawn to , once again, bring us inline with the EU. It is however yet more info being added to how little mileage Historic scover. PRESS RELEASE MOT TESTS FOR HISTORIC CARS MAY BE SCRAPPED The requirement to have an annual MOT test for pre-war cars may be scrapped following a meeting between Transport Minister Mike Penning and members of the All Party Parliamentary Historic Vehicles Group, of which Lord Montagu of Beaulieu is President. To view the full release and related files, please click here If you cannot use the link above, copy and paste the address below into your web browser's address bar: www.newspress.co.uk/public/ViewPressRelease.aspx?pr=26623&pr_ref=3286 beaulieu.co.uk Designed & Distributed by Newspress Ltd This was in the NEWS OF THE WORLD today... Supposedly pre 39 cars only are exempt. Unless i missed that somewhere in the link
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Jan 23, 2011 21:33:16 GMT
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^^Now exactly how do you boyz think that deal went down? Lots of thin young men in thin ties standing round a big oblong table with manila folders and calculators? Or do you think it went down in the sauna room at the Explorer's Club the week after the LTB run? Get frickin' real. Two ways to develop political power: Money and Populism. Both are nice to have. If you can't have one, get a shed tonne of the other. If you're wobbly about getting some or both, get out of the way and let somebody else do it.
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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Jan 23, 2011 21:55:48 GMT
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If we could just pull this back on track a bit. At EU level it is possible to lobby and this is done by ETO but primarily they support the issues raised by there paying supporting organisations and GB is NOT represented. Members of DfT and VOSa are also at these meeting in the EU. I mentioned earlier in this thread about further info to come re legislation which may add fuel to limiting mileage on Historics. I'll stick the official press release at he bottom but primarly it is asking for MOT exemption as these vehicles do limited mileages. On a personal level I can't see this coming in as currently lots of MOT exemptions are actually being withdrawn to , once again, bring us inline with the EU. It is however yet more info being added to how little mileage Historic scover. PRESS RELEASE MOT TESTS FOR HISTORIC CARS MAY BE SCRAPPED The requirement to have an annual MOT test for pre-war cars may be scrapped following a meeting between Transport Minister Mike Penning and members of the All Party Parliamentary Historic Vehicles Group, of which Lord Montagu of Beaulieu is President. To view the full release and related files, please click here If you cannot use the link above, copy and paste the address below into your web browser's address bar: www.newspress.co.uk/public/ViewPressRelease.aspx?pr=26623&pr_ref=3286 beaulieu.co.uk Designed & Distributed by Newspress Ltd This was in the NEWS OF THE WORLD today... Supposedly pre 39 cars only are exempt. Unless I missed that somewhere in the link Aimed at pre war but with Lord Montague looking for a rolling exemption ( mentioned in article ) but once again based on the premise of only 100 miles a year, even less than the average 900 mentioned in previous propoganda . I can't post what I'm thinking ( it would be ill-advised) but if that were to come in with an enforced limit I can see one very unhappy particular group. Just remember that VOSA record mileages at MOT and that info is shared with DVLA . Before anyone starts , nope , no mention of it being on the basis of CHECKED annual mileage but if 'you' keep using that as your lever , at some stage you bluff may be called?
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Jan 23, 2011 22:12:31 GMT
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get out of the way and let somebody else do it. Hey Norm...... I'm not hoggin' this thing..... when I said I have neither the time nor the inclination to get involved at that kind of level I meant it. As I said to the legal advisers at the time... if you see it in black and white I mean it.... if you don't.... I don't. So you're welcome to step forward.... and show us limey's how it's done!! ;D
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'71 Arrocuda.... '71 Sunbeam Rapier Turbo (The Grim Rapier).... '63 Hymek D7076..... Audi GT5S
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Jan 23, 2011 22:26:06 GMT
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^^My services are not free of charge. I feed my family doing this work. Like a welder or a painter or a draftsman or a mechanic works for pay to feed his family too.
As Rockatansky said to the Refinery inmates when up against Humungus, "You want to get out of here? You talk to me." ;D
Pass the tin can, boyz! ;D
"....and we won't be done til it's over over there..."
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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Jan 23, 2011 22:50:30 GMT
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Would it be possible to get Lord March on our side , seeing as he is interested hot rods etc as well as historically correct vehicles?
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Jan 24, 2011 12:06:27 GMT
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Would it be possible to get Lord March on our side , seeing as he is interested hot rods etc as well as historically correct vehicles? That's a good idea. Just think how dull the Revival will look without the period feel. I'm wondering which side the FIVA is on. Do they really want events like the revival to have carparks full of Focuses (Foci?), and no old cars in the main arena, or don't they want the likes of Austins, Standards and Fords lowering the tone?
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1953 Minor (Long term project) PT Cruiser
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Jan 24, 2011 13:05:35 GMT
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Well that would bring all vehicles in to line with commercials. Pre 1962 (not rolling) are MOT exempt, but they can't carry a load.
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Jan 24, 2011 14:30:10 GMT
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Last Edit: Jan 24, 2011 14:32:47 GMT by kapri
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Jan 24, 2011 14:42:45 GMT
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Sorry it's 1960 for the cut off, and that won't be changing (according to the link)
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Jan 26, 2011 18:18:45 GMT
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Finally had another reply....
A bit more helpful this time, even if the reply wasn't as fast as Geoff.
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There is no such thing as a curse word car just overstretched expectations................. Herald 10/10 Gasser 10/10 Total score 20/10
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Jan 27, 2011 20:01:05 GMT
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2011 9:24:05 GMT by kapri
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Jan 27, 2011 22:24:18 GMT
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Did it not say earlier in the thread that in Germany you can still pay the road tax and carry on as normal?
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Click on the links Fred and follow to the info on the German sites. This is about entry into EZs not general usage.
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Jan 28, 2011 12:35:24 GMT
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Germany: 30 years, very cheap road tax, simplified technical control but your vehicle must be »original«. You must own another vehicle which is fully taxed Just for information, it´s a little bit more complicated than that Ace In Germany you have a choice how to register your 30 year old car. If you let it run as a normal car, you pay full road tax, (which will be very expensive as you probably won´t have any emmision reducing systems) and you´re not allowed into a lot of major cities for the same reason. The MOT is every two years and is as stringent as with any other car. If you want it to run as a "Historical vehicle" you need an engineers report which checks that everything is original, you then get reduced road tax (191 Euros) and can drive in any city you want as historic vehicles are allowed in. You´re not allowed to drive them everyday to work and the MOT is the same as for a "normal" car and needs to be done every two years. The insurance companies will require you to have a daily driver if you want reduced rates - these normally include a reduced mileage policy too. I´ll give you an example of what a difference that can make in real terms. My son has moved to Hannover and they have an enviromental zone in place which only lets in certain vehicles depending on their emission output) His 1978 W123 Mercedes 300 Diesel would cost over 1150 Euros roadtax and wouldn´t be allowed in- which if you´re a visitor is not too much a problem but if you live there........ Registering his car as a historical vehicle means that not only can he legally drive it in Hannover - it only cost 191 Euros road tax This is for the same car - just registered different, needless to say the amount of cars getting registered as an historical vehicle have shot up in the last 12 months and it´s probably only a matter of time before the 30 year rolling limit gets stopped. This is what I am talking about as regards Germany. Germany has some of the strictest environmental rules and laws in the whole of the EU. Buy the sound of it, if the FIVA rules were taken up, we would all be better off in Historical tax class vehicles. Not that the Govt will take any of it up, so it's a bit hypothetical isn't it?
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Jan 28, 2011 14:22:18 GMT
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But then you come full circle again Fred, With the statement 'If the FIVA rules were taken up we would all be better off in a Historical tax class you are correct. However, If the FIVA rules were taken up and your 'Historic' doesn't fit in the FIVA rules you have no opportunity to be in a Historic vehicle class.
Here's an interesting quote from the FHBVC 'Objectives'...
Society is becoming ever more regulated. Activity that is perceived as anti-social is banned, or controlled. Global warming and health considerations have heightened concerns about atmospheric pollution. Traffic congestion is costing industry substantial sums.
There is already a Low Emission Zone in London – it’s not a ban, but it does make the use of non-compliant vehicles in the zone very expensive and government has been considering extending the LEZ principle to other areas. It does not take much imagination to see proposals being put forward to ban the use of vehicles over a certain age on weekdays in an effort to reduce the atmospheric pollution that occurs at the roadside when roads are congested.
If the FIVA rules were taken up, AND you fitted into them you would have nothing to worry about..... BUT...........
To say 'The government won't take any of it up so it's all hypothetical' is partly why the 'Modified Classic' scene is where it is today. It's only because of people back in the late 1970's that we have a scene at all today.
One thing you can say on behalf of FHBVC/FIVA (Even though I may disagree with a lot of stuff that they say) is that they can see where things 'May likely' be going and they are doing something about it, rather than just saying 'It'll never happen'.
If they did nothing would the stuff happen? Who knows, Is it worth sitting back and saying nowt? Definately not.
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2011 14:29:29 GMT by 1960zody
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Jan 28, 2011 14:31:49 GMT
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Fred, Oldbuses post PROVES the point, as a non Historic the tax is extreme and not allowed in but his get out clause is to register it as Historic. Now look at the Historic FIVA definition. YOU would be OK ,under FIVA specs ,with your stock fleet but many of the other guys on here WOULDN'T qualify.
It's about looking at the bigger picture not just a personal take . I don't have a Historic car at all at the moment, only correctly registered new replicas so none of this would affect me personally ...but that's NOT the point is it ?
Each tiny change removes a loophole or get out clause and thsi would undoubtably effect our 8 points system.
Will it ...won't it..does that matter ..if you find out it does AFTER the legislation is in place then you can't fight it . That is why we are concerned because the legislation has far reaching effects beyond even what we can see at the moment.
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Jan 28, 2011 14:41:03 GMT
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Think our replies came in at the same time Kev ;D ;D
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