TAX TAX TAX!!! ! ! !

[code109]

Some may.be aware I'm in the process of using the all too popular mx5 engine for a project car....

But it got me wondering when i started filling out the form to apply for a new log book....

What happens to the tax class of a car when you do an engine swap? Still tax exempt? Or does it take on the tax class of the donor car because of emissions or what?

Cheers

Craig

[composimmonite]

You are back to the DVLA points system.
www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles
If you haven't got enough points to retain original reg then you also loose tax exemption.
I think, however, in your case a simple engine & gearbox swop and you should be OK.

[DWDarkWheels]

Aug 27, 2014 23:19:33 GMT composimmonite said:

You are back to the DVLA points system.
www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles
If you haven't got enough points to retain original reg then you also loose tax exemption.
I think, however, in your case a simple engine & gearbox swop and you should be OK.

Ditto. I'd expect DVLA will see your car, not the power unit.

[code109]

Cool cheers guys! i literally had no idea!!! Could you tell? Haha

while I'm on a legality theme, what's the law on seat belts? All the Hillman hunters I've seen have them, but mine doesn't, and there's nowhere where try would have been attached..... :/ nor wing mirrors actually! Lol

cheers

Craig

[Onne]

What year is the car? They are mandatory from 1965 onwards, or if fitted as standard prior to this. (out of the top of my head)

[code109]

Seat belts or wing mirrors??

The cars 1975...... :/

[bl1300]

1975 requires at least front seatbelts. Mirrors wise you are required either a centre or offside mirror.

[code109]

If your vehicle doesn’t have seat belts, for example it’s a classic car, you aren’t allowed to carry any children under 3 years old in it.
Children over 3 are only allowed to sit in the back seats.
These rules only apply if your vehicle was originally made without seat belts



that's what wa on the direct gov website but they say nothing about years.....

[composimmonite]

All Hunters had seatbelts when new so are a requirement now. There will be mounting points unless somebody had replaced sills, floor or whatever and omitted to refit the mounting points to the new panels.

[code109]

Strange! Ha

looks like i have some inspectigating to do!

[Ryannn]

My Porsche 924 (1983) didn't have rear belts or the provisions in the seats for them, I have seen many like that aswell but didn't dare ever bring it up! Lol

[Deleted]

Aug 29, 2014 19:36:43 GMT Ryannn said:

My Porsche 924 (1983) didn't have rear belts or the provisions in the seats for them, I have seen many like that aswell but didn't dare ever bring it up! Lol

Only cars built after 1987 require rear seat belts so your porker doesn't legally need them.

[Deleted]

Aug 29, 2014 9:04:42 GMT bl1300 said:

1975 requires at least front seatbelts. Mirrors wise you are required either a centre or offside mirror.

Paul, its 1967 for front seat belts.

[compass]

August 1978 for wing mirrors if memory serves me correctly.

I had a 1969 Cortina not so long ago, which didn`t have any wing/door mirrors. I looked into it then, and I`m sure the year was 1978.

Regarding seatbelts, there are a few dates for different belts. I think it was 1965 for a lap belt in the front, and 1967 for a three point belt in the front. Pre 1965 didn`t require any, if the car didn`t come with any from new.

This is all from memory within the last year, so dates/details could be slightly out.

[fred]

My 1969 FD Ventora had no seatbelts in the front
Nor any fitments for any.
Not Googled it so I don't know when front seat belts became law
looks a bit grey above

[compass]

This should help clarify the seatbelt issues. This isn't my work, just copy and pasted from a different forum. I believe it to be pretty accurate though. In fairness, whether it passes or not may well depend on how classic "friendly" your tester is.

The LAW is as per the history from RoSPA:

www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info...lt_history.pdf

1965
It becomes compulsory to fit seat belts in the front of cars built in Europe.
1967
New cars in the UK must be fitted with front seat belts by law. Great Britain requires 3-points in front outboard positions.
1968
Great Britain requires retrofit of 3-point belts in front of newer cars.

The MOT rules are then clear:

www.ukmot.com/5-1.asp

Passenger and dual purpose vehicles with no more than 8 passenger seats with 4 or more wheels first used on or after 1 January 1965:

A. vehicles first used before 1 April 1981: A belt which restrains the upper part of the body (but need not include a lap belt) for each seat

B. Vehicles first used after 31March 1981: A 3 point (lap/diagonal) belt (see note 2)


With respect to 'A' above then the belt must restrain the upper part of the body but doesn't have to include a lap belt, thus can be a 2 point belt (Shoulder to lock diagonal only).....if you go back to the RoSPA seat belt history above it does reference this type of belt:

[bl1300]

Aug 29, 2014 19:55:48 GMT @1300dolly said:

Aug 29, 2014 9:04:42 GMT bl1300 said:

1975 requires at least front seatbelts. Mirrors wise you are required either a centre or offside mirror.

Paul, its 1967 for front seat belts.

Eye I know that I was saying that the OPs 1975 car required front seat belts.

[Carrera RSR]

Aug 29, 2014 19:36:43 GMT Ryannn said:

My Porsche 924 (1983) didn't have rear belts or the provisions in the seats for them, I have seen many like that aswell but didn't dare ever bring it up! Lol

All 924's have the provision for rear seat belts. The mountings are under the rear carpet/seat for lap belts and the shoulder mounting on the C pillar. Not fitted as standard until MY86 924S/944 which had inertia rear belts fitted

[code109]

Hmmm.... A lot of different info! Lol

I have stamped number plates, even though the car misses out on th privilege by 2 years.... I'm hoping any policemen will let it slide

But i think with the seat belts, that's too big a gap to get away with at an MOT station!

The DVLA website should seriously consider stating dates!!!!

Thanks or all the help though guys

[nomad]

Aug 29, 2014 9:59:34 GMT composimmonite said:

All Hunters had seatbelts when new so are a requirement now...

Including rear belts?

Mine is a 72, it has standard 3-point belts in the front but none in the back.
I suspect rear belts may have been "dealer option" or aftermarket - can anyone confirm?

cheers