sb
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Aug 12, 2015 14:14:52 GMT
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Sorry but if you have an illegal plate you're not innocent. I still think the cop is a... For booking it though. But you can't say I'm breaking the law but it's okay cos I drive slow.
I think the issue is that there are not enough events or places for people so of course they'll act out. People need local and CHEAP places to drive hard, it's a good thing to know you and your car's limits but there's nowhere to learn it.
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Aug 12, 2015 17:06:20 GMT
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Well you cannot have it both ways - either you let the bellends stay and you get shut down and the police come anyway , perhaps a accident in the making as well .
Or you let the police know of your intentions , they may come around , they may park up the road and you leave the silly number plates at home - lets face it , silly number plates have been around since the 80s , 99.999 % of people know full well its a no no with the law so i don't thing anyone has a right to get a be in there bonnet .
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Aug 12, 2015 19:04:14 GMT
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Sadly it's more likely they will put pressure on the landlord or land owner not to let the event go ahead. It's the idiots who spoil things but everybody ends up suffering.
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Aug 12, 2015 21:30:42 GMT
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This is in the process of happening to one of our best local meets. Started as a aircooled, american, hot rod kind of meet. Over the years classics and retros have joined in, then the watercooled vw lot, then the stance lot and now its a free for all. Won't be long until its dead. Only been to two this year, after that I decided I'm just not going to bother anymore. Idiots in Corsa's wheel spinning. People in high powered japanese stuff over taking and racing each other from the lights etc etc. I know the one you're talking about there, and you're right about it's imminent death I reckon. Loads of heated debate on FB about it, mainly from the interlopers who've brought unwanted attention to the event. Shame as it used to be a really good night out.
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93fxdl
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If you are not allowed to have cars gathering and travelling together, what are the funeral directors going to do, as they could be facing a two year stretch for organising an " event " Shows the police as being totally ineffective and unable to deal with the criminals, since almost everything listed as causes for the injunction are offences which the police have failed to deal with. Looking more and more like motoring enforcement is purely becoming cyber with CCTV, speed cameras, parking cameras etc, hence the draconian clampdown on iffy number plates since they might not register on the camera to know who to fine, Quite possible the enforcement for this will be mostly, scanning Facebook and Twitter for posts organising events, The scary thing is the erosion of public freedoms Ttfn Glenn
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qwerty
Club Retro Rides Member
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Cruisin' for a bruisin'!qwerty
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Aug 13, 2015 21:04:28 GMT
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This is in the process of happening to one of our best local meets. Started as a aircooled, american, hot rod kind of meet. Over the years classics and retros have joined in, then the watercooled vw lot, then the stance lot and now its a free for all. Won't be long until its dead. Only been to two this year, after that I decided I'm just not going to bother anymore. Idiots in Corsa's wheel spinning. People in high powered japanese stuff over taking and racing each other from the lights etc etc. I know the one you're talking about there, and you're right about it's imminent death I reckon. Loads of heated debate on FB about it, mainly from the interlopers who've brought unwanted attention to the event. Shame as it used to be a really good night out. Yes I saw your comments on the FB page along with mine. People didn't seem to grasp what we were trying to say.
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bighed
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Aug 13, 2015 21:31:43 GMT
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This was a "cruise" by me. Possibly 1999. No burn out idiots. Just a load of like minded people out having the crack. Then as you say, bellends, bad press, accidents in other towns etc and it all soon came to an end!! There used to be a really good retro meet at the four ashes pub in four ashes, staffordshire but that soon turned into an everyone event that hastily got shut down.
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2015 21:38:17 GMT by bighed
No skool like the old skool
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Aug 13, 2015 23:01:46 GMT
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This is amusing to read... Police targets.... Police wrong to ticket illegal plates... Police making a profit from fines..... Draconian number plate laws.... Funeral directors breaking the law...
Could someone please tell me what these targets are and who in the police force gets the profits? If you don't have illegal number plates and if you don't commit any offences then you don't get fined.
There are plenty of meets and cruises that go ahead without any 'bother' from the police.
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There are plenty of meets and cruises that go ahead without any 'bother' from the police. ...and that's exactly what we want! This is not about cop bashing, it's about the one idiot who thinks he's the man (or she's the woman) by putting people at risk with antisocial driving. This can then attract Police attention and the event gets a hard time off the Police / local council etc all thanks to the stupid actions of a few, sometimes ending in long running meets getting shut down. The funeral jibe was simply pointing out how a technically unenforceable law rushed in to illegalise raves in the late 80s is now being used against car show attendees. It's just another example of how our civil liberties in this country are being taken away year by year and most are completely oblivious. Anyhoo, back to message.... #dontdrivelikeadick
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MrSpeedy
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Aug 14, 2015 12:28:06 GMT
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There used to be a very nice event held at the Blue Lias pub in Warwickshire. Only once a year, but they'd have hundreds of classics, retros and customs turn up. It was a very pleasant way to spend a summers evening and raise a few bob for charity. Then the cockwombles started turning up. Two or three years ago, some helmet in a Lotus Elise nailed it over a blind humpback bridge, straight into the end of a Triumph Stag when leaving the event. The following year some knobjockey Yoof decided to do a one wheel burnout as his 'exit piece' in his Paxo 1.2. Unfortunately when his wheel stopped spinning and got traction, it was still on lefthand lock and he ploughed straight into some spectators, before driving off. The event was then cancelled indefinitely
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Iain
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Aug 14, 2015 12:42:47 GMT
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Similar with Ashby Folville village meet, that got incredibly busy, and inevitably people start trying to wheelspin up the tiny village road and over a 1-car-width bridge. That got binned off mid last year too. I think the success of these meets is the factor that kills them, so catch 22 there Edit, Google images shows the problems!
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Last Edit: Aug 14, 2015 13:04:36 GMT by Iain
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Aug 14, 2015 13:48:38 GMT
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Sorry I think I didn't express myself well in my last post. The point I was trying to make was that actually inviting police to your cruise/meet would be counter productive because soon enough you'd have no participants at all at an event that's supposed to be fun. Which of us doesn't feel a bit anxious when a police car comes up behind us on the road even when we know we're driving 28 mph in a 100% legal car with a fresh MOT etc? It's not as if there's hundreds of police sitting around twirling their thumbs waiting for something to do. They haven't enough time money or personnel to deal with all the crime happening now.
--------------------------------------------------- I know very well the legal status of US style licence plates, or any other non standard style lettering and anyone fits them does so at their own risk, but I can't imagine why anyone would call the police out over such plates unless they were particularly petty or vindictive.
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MrSpeedy
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Aug 14, 2015 14:52:31 GMT
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Sorry I think I didn't express myself well in my last post. The point I was trying to make was that actually inviting police to your cruise/meet would be counter productive because soon enough you'd have no participants at all at an event that's supposed to be fun. Which of us doesn't feel a bit anxious when a police car comes up behind us on the road even when we know we're driving 28 mph in a 100% legal car with a fresh MOT etc? It's not as if there's hundreds of police sitting around twirling their thumbs waiting for something to do. They haven't enough time money or personnel to deal with all the crime happening now. --------------------------------------------------- I know very well the legal status of US style licence plates, or any other non standard style lettering and anyone fits them does so at their own risk, but I can't imagine why anyone would call the police out over such plates unless they were particularly petty or vindictive. This is exactly why I stopped going to any car meets in Milton Keynes. The old bill there used to look for absolutely anything to have a go at you for. I imagine it's only gotten worse since the clowns have been on TV. Yes, maybe it is 'my fault' for not having a 100% 'legal' car (I'm admitting nothing here btw ) but if it's only bending some petty little rule that has no great effect on safety then what's the actual harm?! That said, Five O rarely give me a second glance in any of my current motors (My old 'Pimp spec' 190 did though) as long as I'm not giving it a bootfull. Personally, I think self policing by the event organisers, however big or small, is the way forwards. 999 is there as a backup if needed, but on the whole I would've thought that officials in High Vis would be the better option
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Aug 14, 2015 16:33:11 GMT
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I don't see a problem with the police knowing its going on - simple - nothing wrong with your car and not driving like a dick + no problem , simple as that .
Most owners of classics and yanks will appreciate other cars coming , but turning up doing stupid stuff you just make your self look a ass . If your car is a 1.2 with big wheels you will just look a curse word , if you have has serious work done you get more respect for NOT showing people what its made of.
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sowen
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Cruisin' for a bruisin'!sowen
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Aug 14, 2015 18:07:35 GMT
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There used to be a very nice event held at the Blue Lias pub in Warwickshire. Only once a year, but they'd have hundreds of classics, retros and customs turn up. It was a very pleasant way to spend a summers evening and raise a few bob for charity. Then the cockwombles started turning up. Two or three years ago, some helmet in a Lotus Elise nailed it over a blind humpback bridge, straight into the end of a Triumph Stag when leaving the event. The following year some knobjockey Yoof decided to do a one wheel burnout as his 'exit piece' in his Paxo 1.2. Unfortunately when his wheel stopped spinning and got traction, it was still on lefthand lock and he ploughed straight into some spectators, before driving off. The event was then cancelled indefinitely There was a nice name&shame video that appeared on Youtube shortly after Interestingly another group seems to have resurrected the Blue Lias meet back on Monday evening this week. I haven't seen any reports of dickish behavior on FB, but that's hardly the most accurate source of info!
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Last Edit: Aug 14, 2015 18:08:21 GMT by sowen
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The old bill there used to look for absolutely anything to have a go at you for. I imagine it's only gotten worse since the clowns have been on TV. Yes, maybe it is 'my fault' for not having a 100% 'legal' car (I'm admitting nothing here btw ) but if it's only bending some petty little rule that has no great effect on safety then what's the actual harm?! The problem with the police turning a blind eye to a minor offence such as a plate that's not 100% legal is that when they ticket a person for another offence they get a lot of abuse including 'why don't you nick him for his illegal plate' and the local busybody complaining about everything (my neighbour parks outside my house) so they have to be seen to be doing their jobs, most traffic cops wont take any notice of a 'slightly illegal' plate when out on the road. I would like to point out that at least two of my cars are not 100% legal including one that has stickers on the front spoiler inside of a proper number plate but I've never been pulled for it. There are enough people with phones that record videos so if someone is being a cockwomble get decent footage including the reg and the drivers face and email it to your local roads policing unit if the footage is good enough they will act on it even if its just letting the driver know they are aware of his antics.
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Cruisin' for a bruisin'!accord83
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Aug 15, 2015 11:45:55 GMT
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As said earlier, the Police are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If everything is running smoothly it isn't a problem. Then someone decides to push their luck, either by a blatant vehicle offence, or stupid driving. The Police do what they have to do and then, as was mentioned before, the offender gets the hump and starts shouting the odds about minor offences on other vehicles, and his mates start sniping from the back. Rather than face a possible complaint, and to control the situation, back up is called, further bookings ensue. The next meet his heavily Policed. Don't upset a Traffic Cop (if you ever see one), I was one. I stopped a guy for a dodgy bit of rust on the bottom of his front wing, I was going to put some gaffer tape on it for him, it was minor, and give him a VDRS caution. The site won't allow me to type his opening comments, so 9 points later he got the idea and STFU! (and his missus was royally giving him grief too.)
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74 Mk1 Escort 1360, 1971 Vauxhall Victor SL2000 Estate.
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Aug 15, 2015 13:25:55 GMT
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Back in the day we used to try and have a laugh and be friendly with the local police, i found 90% of them to be great the other 10% were not good officers and used to give folks a hard time because they could. A few of them used to just pull up to us to have a chat about cars and what we had been up to, you can guess which officers got respect off people.
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Aug 15, 2015 13:53:12 GMT
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This is in the process of happening to one of our best local meets. Started as a aircooled, american, hot rod kind of meet. Over the years classics and retros have joined in, then the watercooled vw lot, then the stance lot and now its a free for all. Won't be long until its dead. Only been to two this year, after that I decided I'm just not going to bother anymore. Idiots in Corsa's wheel spinning. People in high powered japanese stuff over taking and racing each other from the lights etc etc. I know the one you're talking about there, and you're right about it's imminent death I reckon. Loads of heated debate on FB about it, mainly from the interlopers who've brought unwanted attention to the event. Shame as it used to be a really good night out. Are we talking about the Metrocentre here? No reason not to name it if it is.
I agree, I've been going in various retro / classic stuff for a very long time but probably wont be back, its not even a nice atmosphere for someone into the cars never mind the shoppers and businesses there nowadays, I feel bad for being part of it when I see how intimidating it must be for the shoppers etc.
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Aug 15, 2015 21:04:57 GMT
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That's right Chris. I spat my dummy when I had to sell my Plymouth in 09 and didn't start going to meets again til I bought my Cutlass in 2013, so hadn't been to the Wednesday night do for a few years. Been to the Metro a couple of times but, even though I work in Newcastle now and it looks like there's some really nice muscle and classic stuff turning up, can't be bothered with the gridlock, fighting new Minis for a space and instances of (very) careless driving.
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