dubwarrior2
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Feb 13, 2016 23:28:46 GMT
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Ive got a Peugeot 306 as a cheap runabout and its ok but the one thing I really hate is the fact the spare wheel is stuck under the car.
An awful design idea. The hanger squeeks and rattles and annoys the hell out of me so Ive removed it and the spare is slung in the boot. Not ideal.
My plan is to cut a hole in the boot floor and fit a proper spare wheel well from something else like a golf or escort.
Anyway, the new panel will fit like an upside down tophat with the flange inside the boot.
Noe ideally this will be tack welded in but I don't really want to drop the tsnk or strip all of the interior out.
Could I use sikaflex or similar to bond it in? If its good enough for ferraris and lambos it should work on a 306 right?
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Feb 13, 2016 23:39:17 GMT
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Just tighten the hanger up /use packing to stop it rattling? None of mine with underfloor hung spares have made a noise.
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j4m35
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Feb 13, 2016 23:39:44 GMT
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No offence but this all sounds like a terrible idea.
Firstly the standard carrier shouldn't rattle, that would've probably been a pretty easy fault to rectify.
Secondly doing major panelwork on a temporary car is a doubly bad idea. It's going to cost you money / time and put off potential buyers when you want to get rid of it.
Thirdly, the floor is important for the car's strength in rear impact and cutting it out and gluing in a different one would certainly make the car less safe.
Fourthly, will it fit without interfering with the rear beam / exhaust / fuel tank etc?
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dubwarrior2
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Feb 13, 2016 23:50:49 GMT
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No offence but this all sounds like a terrible idea. Firstly the standard carrier shouldn't rattle, that would've probably been a pretty easy fault to rectify. Secondly doing major panelwork on a temporary car is a doubly bad idea. It's going to cost you money / time and put off potential buyers when you want to get rid of it. Thirdly, the floor is important for the car's strength in rear impact and cutting it out and gluing in a different one would certainly make the car less safe. Fourthly, will it fit without interfering with the rear beam / exhaust / fuel tank etc? Lets be honest most of the stuff done to old cars sounds like a bad idea. The standard carrier rattled like mad. I changed all the rubbers and greased all the bits I could. Even wrapped all the points of contact in tape. But still rattled and made a noise. secondly, Its not major panelwork is it really. Its cutting a large circle into a big flat (albeit corrugated) panel and is only going to cost me the price of the boot floor from the scrappy (£10?) The boot floor in this is a large flat panel. Putting in the spare wheel well will probably strengthen it if anything. Its bound to fit. Its only going to take up the same amount of space (maybe less) as the wheel and carrier slung underneath. |
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steveg
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You can get proper structural stuff from 3M although not used it myself. To make it work very well you really want two flat edges to join and that's going to be a bit of a pain with the ribbed floor in the car.
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Cant see any issues with doing that except as someone said its a lot of work for a car that you are not keeping and if the carrier is tightened properly it cant rattle so you must have something loose or broken.
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dubwarrior2
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One thing Ive come to realise over the years is the "non-keepers" tend to become quite useful and stick around for some time.
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j4m35
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Feb 14, 2016 11:40:33 GMT
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Doesn't the under slung spare wheel bracket carry the wheel / tyre quite far back under the car, underneath the rear slam panel or rear inner wings? If so, if you try to put it inside the boot floor you're not going to get it in the same place. You'll probably find that this is why Peugeot put it under the car in the first place.
This is such an extreme solution to a problem which shouldn't exist.
Is the spare wheel / tyre the right size and did the tyre have air in it?
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Feb 14, 2016 13:48:12 GMT
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id have no problem using the adhesive
double check theres no major x members in the way though
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Feb 14, 2016 14:04:32 GMT
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seems the easiest way to do things is just get on with it.  |
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choptop
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Feb 14, 2016 15:24:22 GMT
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if you have a heavy rear end shunt , where is the spare wheel going to end up , rear seat area / inside car , not good for rear passengers .
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Feb 14, 2016 15:58:01 GMT
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if you have a heavy rear end shunt , where is the spare wheel going to end up , rear seat area / inside car , not good for rear passengers . so is not wearing seat belts. curse word me, welcome to the nanny state. |
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dubwarrior2
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Feb 14, 2016 16:39:20 GMT
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Well its not happening now.
It would have been easy enough to do and a lot more practical.
Sadly on further inspection, it appears that Peugeot decided to run a load of hard brake lines under the boot floor and they will all need re-routing.
curse word.
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j4m35
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Feb 14, 2016 16:46:00 GMT
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Is the spare wheel / tyre the right size and did the tyre have air in it? |
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bortaf
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Feb 14, 2016 17:24:04 GMT
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It'll be an MOT fail at the least any repair to the shell has to be seem welded not glued ? TBH i've had a few 306s to drive and non rattle from the cradle IF the tyre is inflated enough and it done up tight, on my 106 it did creak a wee bit so i added some carpet offcuts to the contact points which was the tyre sidewall. In no way would i describe cutting the floor out of a monocoque shell as "not major panelwork" especialy when you intend to glue it back in  |
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Feb 14, 2016 19:19:48 GMT
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It'll be an MOT fail at the least any repair to the shell has to be seem welded not glued ? How does the tester know the difference between a well glued seam that has been undersealed/painted and one that has been welded? |
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Feb 14, 2016 20:17:52 GMT
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Windscreen glue! Glass has been giving cars structural strength since the days of the Montego. I have used it to "repair" many of my old motors over the years & as you say, more & more cars are leaving the factory with bonded panels these days. My most recent transit van has a patch of steel bonded in the floor now.
Shame you're not doing this. I would have loved to see the results.
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Dez
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Feb 14, 2016 21:33:09 GMT
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Good coat of filler and shiny paint and you'll be reet.
Loads quicker than welding it all too.....
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Feb 14, 2016 22:40:16 GMT
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Windscreen glue! Glass has been giving cars structural strength since the days of the Montego. I have used it to "repair" many of my old motors over the years & as you say, more & more cars are leaving the factory with bonded panels these days. My most recent transit van has a patch of steel bonded in the floor now. Shame you're not doing this. I would have loved to see the results. Tigerseal can used on steel, plastics, glass and probably more. |
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Feb 14, 2016 22:41:39 GMT
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Structural adhesive is usually an epoxy, most of the modern cars use a combination of rivets and adhesive as the adhesive alone is prone to peeling.
On the spare wheel front some cars have rigid foam blocks around the wheel which act as spacers are there supposed to be some here which have gone awal?
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