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I quite like this idea www.smythkitcars.com/What would the legal side of this be here in the UK? Anyone know |
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Last Edit: Apr 7, 2016 6:42:48 GMT by james54
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I'd imagine that would fail in the same way many Japanese pickups do, like the fairly well known Navara issue, have seen old Vauxhall Bravas and Terranos broken in the same place too.
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Because it would involve modification to a monocoque then BIVA would be applicable and probably Q reg issued. However if you really wanted, then other than cost, BIVA shouldn't put you off as long as you built within the rules as I assume the base Bora will already be "BIVA friendly".
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I like that, but it would appear to me that the strength of the body has been compromised what with so much of it being chopped away. I think the fibreglass and aluminium panels just glued and riveted on would eventually crack with the amount of flexing the body would do having had so much removed.
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using an estate or saloon donor doesn't make much difference other than the estate is likely to have uprated rear suspension.
fact that half the monocoque is missing is the main point.
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alecf
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I'd imagine that would fail in the same way many Japanese pickups do, like the fairly well known Navara issue, have seen old Vauxhall Bravas and Terranos broken in the same place too. vauxhall brava (rebaded isuzu faster) are body on frame though, not monocoque. i think that would be my reservation of this conversion, it folding in half in a strong breeze |
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Last Edit: Apr 7, 2016 11:10:42 GMT by darrenh
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oh certainly yes, was kind of hinting that is a full ladder chassis can fold, what about a chopped monocoque's chances of standing up!
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Saw a bit of traffic on our site coming from this board so I figured I would say hello. A bit of background on me(Mark Smith) and Smyth Performance is appropriate I think since the smyth truck kits are starting to sell well in the u.k. and EU. Smyth Perf is my third car company. Factory Five Racing and Local Motors were the first two. Engineering race cars/off road cars and truck kits involve similar tasks in making the finished product as strong and as light as possible. www.smythkitcars.com/#!engineering/nvcj5 The truck kit is pretty simple and strong in design as it is a reinforced torsional box bolted and riveted to a pretty strong based car. Let me know if you have any q's re the design...the questions on registering in each country are best answered by those doing it...I would imagine some customers will chime in over time. Cheers and happy building:) Mark |
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Had a look but after the 300th 'awesome' I had to stop!  |
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That looks all well and good, but the kit manufacturer are rating their payload capacity to "About 750 pounds."
Based on the size of the tray, if you load it as you would a normal ute, you could easily overload it with double that weight if you're not careful.
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MrSpeedy
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"No welding required"
On a conversion that major, no welding is NOT a good selling point in my eyes!
Nope.
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I watch an american program called lost in transmission and they build a bora pickup
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92 ford sierra 2.9 glsi ex police
87 ford sierra cosworth 3dr (In storage) scared to use
01 vw bora 2.0 sport
95 bmw 728i
92 2.9 xr4x4 barn find
87 xr3i
92 xr2i
89 escort van with rst (Blown up engine)
94 TRANSIT beavertail needs engine 3.0d waiting
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tsoob
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Lets replace the C pillar and roof, structural members of the car, with pop rivets and body filler
No thanks.
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hamps
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Half of you lot ain't got a clue on car body strength and design! You harp on about legality and how weak it will be blah blah blah bore off for god sake! always poo poo'ing! just don't comment if you're a jobsworth. simple. If you build or convert something properly, you should have no worries over strength or legal issues!. 90% of the time it ends up stronger! Cars, vans, trucks, chassis and mechanical parts have been adapted, customised, altered, restored and generally chopped about for years so what is the problem? |
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Not my cup of tea how it's been done but the bed sides look to contain large box sections that would add a lot of strength and triangulate what's left of the existing car. In effect the bed insert should act as a stressed structural member if it's all tied together properly. Modern cars use bonded panels so the no welding bit isn't really an issue, corrosion like you get on Landrovers might be in a few years though.
The fibreglass bits are just covers.
I've got no idea what the suspension and chassis underneath of the VW is like to begin with but the suggested load limit of 350kg suggests it probably isn't the most beefy.
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VIP
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Half of you lot ain't got a clue on car body strength and design! You harp on about legality and how weak it will be blah blah blah bore off for god sake! always poo poo'ing! just don't comment if you're a jobsworth. simple. If you build or convert something properly, you should have no worries over strength or legal issues!. 90% of the time it ends up stronger! Cars, vans, trucks, chassis and mechanical parts have been adapted, customised, altered, restored and generally chopped about for years so what is the problem? You sound stressed, have you thought about taking a holiday? There's nothing wrong with having a discussions about the legality and how it affect the rigidity of the finished item, because it's an opportunity for people to get educated. Educated about the legal implications - many folks don't realise what they are, or in some cases just don't care. Educated about the structural modifications - those who *think* it may be compromised may learn more about how it's built and how the mods actually work. It's those that make the most noise about not discussing such things that are usually the people who circumvent the system, so don't want such things brought to attention. |
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Last Edit: Apr 8, 2016 8:30:03 GMT by VIP
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brc76
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I live about an hour north of them, tempted to roll down and see what they are up to...
My 2 penny? People who start local and factory five probably know what's what with putting custom units together. Have you seen the Bora / jetta they turned into a 2 seated? Looked like a lot of work went into making it strong.
I'm not saying this is strong little ute, but I'm thinking it's probably better than some fear. Personally I would have used different rear lights, but ascetics are generally much better than the usual home brew
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MrSpeedy
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Half of you lot ain't got a clue on car body strength and design! You harp on about legality and how weak it will be blah blah blah bore off for god sake! always poo poo'ing! just don't comment if you're a jobsworth. simple. If you build or convert something properly, you should have no worries over strength or legal issues!. 90% of the time it ends up stronger! Cars, vans, trucks, chassis and mechanical parts have been adapted, customised, altered, restored and generally chopped about for years so what is the problem? |
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