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Oct 21, 2016 14:47:23 GMT
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Yeah i've had a few conversations along the lines of "did you know your pads are down to the metal?" to get the response of "it passed the MOT X number of months ago". In fairness most classics and retros are owned by enthusiasts many of whom are mechanically capable (or at least aware) and hopefully most are better looked after than the average daily vehicle. Not always the case though i know. If it came to a choice of having a car behind me when i'm driving i'd rather have an MOT exempt A35 or something than an aggressively piloted X5 right up my chuff ! Fully agree, the majority of classic owners have at least an awareness of oiley bits and the cars in question are the type that can be fixed with knowledge and elbow grease rather than computers. I would rather be in a carefully driven well maintained classic, than a new barge being driven like its being chased by the old bill
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Last chance today to do this.
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For those that giveth not a fluff about MOT changes IF you read the Consultation document you will see IN WRITING FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME that the Government is considering millage restrictions on old cars. All replies to this consultation WILL frame the changes to UK legislation that WILL happen in April 2018 . Last opportunity today as it closes at 11.45 tonight.
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I've put in my reply. Specifically mentioning no mileage limitations for older cars (I also said that I wanted them MOT'd ... sorry if you don't like that).
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My personal opinion is that anything out there should be tested and I'd like to see the pre 60 exemption repealed. However that isn't an option they are offering. Did you know that just 7% of pre 60 cars bother to have MOTs now ?
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My personal opinion is that anything out there should be tested and I'd like to see the pre 60 exemption repealed. However that isn't an option they are offering. Did you know that just 7% of pre 60 cars bother to have MOTs now ? I'm on the same page ... also I don't want free tax, for all the usual reasons of not ending up with restricted use.
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what is restricted use going to amount to?
restrict mileage classic policies at the moment run to just under 10,000 and I'm sure that they'd be happy to sell you some more miles if you needed them.
i think that that is the way things are going and this is a sneaky way in which the gubberment will initiate this pay as you go revenue stream.
all based on cow farts and the impending end of days etc...but i foresee more toll roads, state or privatel;y owned.
id be happy to run a car that doesnt require MOT or TAX.
there isnt any guarantee that a 2016 whatever doesnt have dodgy brakes the day after an MOT so what difference should that certificate really make considering that it is not necessarily valid minutes after its been issued.
I'm sure the traffic police will be employing more officers also to regulate use of the highways to their own financial advantage.
let people think they have a bit of anarchy for a while but they'll soon get wise to it when the authorities start charging you even more for the 'privileg' of using a car on their roads (that you pay for!) lol
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what is restricted use going to amount to? Can't drive more than a certain number of miles annually Vehicle of Historic Interest. Can't drive more than a certain number of miles away from your house/area in a Vehicle of Historic Interest. Can't use your Vehicle of Historic Interest on certain days... or more likely can only use them on certain days. Can only go to agreed destination with you Vehicle of Historic Interest. That kind of thing.
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The figure already given to the Government and EU Parliament by FIVA is 1000 miles all backe dup by surveys of their membership. Quite why the need to quantify when it was " only to be used as a lobbying tool " their words not mine, I have no idea.
You are right in thinking toll roads, now apply that thinking to VHIs with restricted mileage and bang goes the " I'll disconnect my speedo" arguement . It's not like anyone would be checking your speedo anyway if it's MOT exempt is it ?
Hands up all those that believed DVLA abolished the tax disc ' because of costs' and that they allow 'you' to pay by direct debit out of the goodness of their hearts ?
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'The thing is..' there IS a much bigger agenda so the best way to deal with that is to cooperate ...to a degree However we are fighting a losing battle but it doesn't mean we have to stop.
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Last Edit: Nov 2, 2016 19:36:20 GMT by kapri
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A bit like certain countries where you have to write to the council(s) to get permission to drive you car. You have to submit the route and the destination in advance and adhere to the route (unless road closures stop you) or face prosecution.
Yeah, restricted mileage is fine..................... NOT!!!
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one of my e34s is on a classic car policy and is restricted to 9000 miles anyway.
i cant see anything in the proposal that suggests anything more than a VHI and the possibility of a mileage restriction which the insurance companies do already.
so it seems that they are offering you the choice to havea VHI instead of an MOT and this mileage thing that the insurance companies impose on you.
seems to me that they are not offering anything, just doing some bueaucratic skewing to make some think they are getting something for nothing...
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one of my e34s is on a classic car policy and is restricted to 9000 miles anyway. i cant see anything in the proposal that suggests anything more than a VHI and the possibility of a mileage restriction which the insurance companies do already. so it seems that they are offering you the choice to havea VHI instead of an MOT and this mileage thing that the insurance companies impose on you. seems to me that they are not offering anything, just doing some bueaucratic skewing to make some think they are getting something for nothing... But your insurance policy restriction is your 'choice' (admittedly your choice was "take it or leave it" if you want that particular policy for one or more other reasons) & is not a restriction to your intended use of said e34.
If you wanted to change, you could at 'any' (subject to paying additional premium / changing policy) time.
I don't see anywhere in this an 'offer' to regularly change between an MoT & unlimited mileage or exemption from/'reduced' MoT. They are looking at altering the criteria for vehicles being exempt but it will be the same as now - the vehicle will be exempt / not on MoT system even if you present it for a test voluntarily ... unless I am missing something?
Although more fundamentally, my own response on mileage restriction question (that there should be absolutely none) was about objecting to being told how to use my property (beyond in a legal & responsible way).
Anyhoo... not looked yet but on previous similar consultations you could look at all the comments that had been submitted (ahead of the report being written up), has that facility been provided in this one? Edit: Apparently not - oh well, will just have check every so often to see if they've completed the report...
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2016 9:18:14 GMT by georgeb
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Exactly George, restricted mileage today, restricted use next year, restricted to shows on trailers in 5 or 10 years? It needs stopping NOW not moan about it after the fact.
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! georgeb thanks for the link, I did a quick search ( on my tablet) but couldn't find it, I was looking for exactly the restrictions in your link.. @blackpop exactly right, think " thin end of the wedge", a zero-cost option now (remember the photo driving licence change - no mention of the costs until the public had approved the system). Expect this as "just" an admin exercise at first, the other restrictions will follow like you say.
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Exactly George, restricted mileage today, restricted use next year, restricted to shows on trailers in 5 or 10 years? It needs stopping NOW not moan about it after the fact. And note you can't rescind your classic status. Once there, you're sunk. ! georgeb thanks for the link, I did a quick search ( on my tablet) but couldn't find it, I was looking for exactly the restrictions in your link.. @blackpop exactly right, think " thin end of the wedge", a zero-cost option now (remember the photo driving licence change - no mention of the costs until the public had approved the system). Expect this as "just" an admin exercise at first, the other restrictions will follow like you say. When I lived in Singers, I spoke to a few folk who changed, as there's a significant tax saving. They were all regretting it! I nearly bought a Healey Sprite which was on classic status until I was advised not to. Bought an old mini on "normal" plates instead that I could use any time.
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2016 13:35:27 GMT by georgeb
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