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Dec 17, 2016 20:24:33 GMT
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I'll appologise in advance, as this isn't really in the Retro category, but most other forums I use are model specific!
I am looking to develop my yard (improve roadway, build barn, etc), I'll be doing it in dribs and drabs over several months, so ideally I could do with a dropside for collecting aggregates, and to save my back at the other end a tipper would be best!
Because of the use, I don't wish to invest a lot, ideally less than £1000. Yes, I know, £1000 for a 'truck' won't get me far! Tatty and beat up, but with a ticket is all I'm aiming for.
Now, I'm on a standard 3.5T licence, and am fussy about loads. So I need a truck with the highest LEGAL payload possible, so single cab and SWB seem to fit the bill.
I'm not a fan of Transits, but am a fan of LDV's. So that is the area I've been looking, any advice on what to look for? Any arguments which might persuade me to the Ford marque?
Also, again on the weight front, I will end up carting soil about on public land only, low speeds and short distance. So I'd like something likely to handle being 'overweight'.
That got me thinking about Nissan Cabstars, and Mitsubishi Canters. (the 3.5T variants)
So I'm particularly interested in information and advice regarding those, and what to look for.
Any I've overlooked that are worth a shot?
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Dec 17, 2016 21:08:38 GMT
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The problem with ldv would be getting one that's not rotten how about the likes of citroen relays but for payload I think the cabstar takes some beating
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Dec 17, 2016 21:33:02 GMT
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I am open to the Relays and Masters, but there doesn't seem to be anywhere near as many about.
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Dec 17, 2016 22:07:58 GMT
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cabstars love to rust too.
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Rob M
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Dec 17, 2016 22:20:31 GMT
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Japanese trucks tend to be expensive and exportable. Other Euro stuff will be a rarity, you need cheap, plentiful,ditto parts and maintenence. I think you are looking in the right place anyway, LDVs are quite plentiful and pretty bullet proof. I drove one to Spain and back once, bloody hated it at the outset but ended up loving it to bits and, ultimately, the LDV as a make. Loads of character and willing to work hard. I would suspect that, for £1000, you could get a dog eared MOTd one that may well be Ford powered anyway. Ive driven Transits for over 25 years for my job and, personally, they are overrated and no better than LDVs. IF you can find an old one tho( pre FWD) then you will have found the last of the proper Transits which will be worth a punt, I suppose.
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Last Edit: Dec 17, 2016 22:21:57 GMT by Rob M
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Dec 17, 2016 22:21:59 GMT
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look on ebay, there's one in essex now at 1300
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Dec 17, 2016 22:33:07 GMT
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If you are looking at overloading, then the LDV seems better able to manage it than the Transit.
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Dec 17, 2016 22:36:25 GMT
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I've heard a few people say that, Transits don't seem good at weight.
Anything I'm looking at will be old and RWD.
Newest I've looked at so far is 2003, oldest is 1989. Lots of mid to late 90's stuff.
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Dec 17, 2016 22:37:13 GMT
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look on ebay, there's one in essex now at 1300 One what? Trying to go under a grand if possible.
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Dec 17, 2016 22:48:51 GMT
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I've heard a few people say that, Transits don't seem good at weight. Anything I'm looking at will be old and RWD. Newest I've looked at so far is 2003, oldest is 1989. Lots of mid to late 90's stuff. Yes it was RWD stuff I was referring to, not later. This goes back to my road haulage days, just after we'd sold the last of the horses. You could always spot an overloaded transit from a mile away, whereas the LDV hardly showed at all.
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Dec 17, 2016 23:12:26 GMT
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look on ebay, there's one in essex now at 1300 One what? Trying to go under a grand if possible. ldv tipper.
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Dec 17, 2016 23:55:45 GMT
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borrow mine!
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Bedford mate. The smallest TK might just sneak under your licence limit or a J1 definitely would. Bit hungry on the go juice but dead simple to work on if anything breaks. As to overloading a Transit, at my first job in the early '80s we had a Mk2 Transit van and it could pull 80 mph with two ton in the back no worries at all. We just couldn't overload it. It took whatever we could put in it and laughed.
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I've never seen a TK that I could drive on my licence. I could probably downplate one, but it would leave curse word all legal payload. Also they are worth good money these days.
I am a fan of Bedfords in general, but as per usual, few and far between...
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Dec 18, 2016 10:08:44 GMT
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This goes back to my road haulage days, just after we'd sold the last of the horses. Hmmm... What's the payload like on a horse and cart?
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Dec 18, 2016 11:12:15 GMT
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You could always add another horse if it struggled.
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Last Edit: Dec 18, 2016 11:12:46 GMT by colnerov
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Dec 18, 2016 12:08:06 GMT
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So, before I go off buying horses, LDV seems to be the way to go due to an abundance of spare parts.
Cabstar could work, but harder to find parts, and probably more expensive.
Canter is probably the same.
That about right?
I will admit I'm still tempted with a Canter I'm watching online, but not found many reviews. Anyone here used them much?
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Dec 18, 2016 12:18:44 GMT
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not used a canter much but have worked on them and driven them in and out of the workshop a bit, handbrake I found was a real faff, getting spares wasn't easy either as they aren't common.
cabstar is ok to drive, borrowed a box van a few times, pretty decent 2.5 litre engine which I believe is the same as the Navara but tuned very differently. parts can be bloody expensive, cabs rust out on the wheelarches where the seats are bolted down (no arch liners)
ldv vs transit there really isn't much difference, same engine and box in most cases (of the ones still surviving) though the transit mostly got much more power.
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Dec 18, 2016 12:24:49 GMT
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Yes. Used to get Canters as 'hire' vehicles when our transits were off the rd ..... (common thing,but thats another story) Took a bit of getting used to after a Transit,but they did the job. Bearing in mind they were poverty spec models for a hire fleet,they were less comfortable than our trannies .... but comfort means different things to different people.
Ldv's ... can't get much more basic than them,they had a variety of engines fitted to them,Ford and Peugeot 2 main ones. I will say though,that no matter what spec LDV we had,they were as noisy as anything!
Steel tipper bodies are heavier than the ali dropside bodies,but are stronger and withstand being hit with a digger bucket better.
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Dec 18, 2016 15:28:17 GMT
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We have a couple of Cabstars at work, one is a '99 vintage, the other a 2015.
The 1999 one has been ragged about some, which won't help, but I don't much care for it. Being fairly tall and gangly probably doesn't help (shorter chaps quite like the thing) but cab space is pretty tight, the gear change is notch, and I find the brakes hard to live with as the pedal isn't in a position I can use it comfortably, and when I do press it they seem pretty digital. I don't really like the umbrella type handbrake setup either. The engine is pretty lusty though, and it does pull well.
The 2015 one has a larger cab, which is more comfortable for the taller driver, better gear change, and a more traditional handbrake lever, a great improvement over the earlier ones, but with a current book process ofn £13k it's probably more than you'd want to spend on a cheap tipper.
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