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Oct 10, 2018 19:38:11 GMT
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dazcapri
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Oct 10, 2018 20:10:00 GMT
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It used to only be the bigger vans now I think it's anything bigger than a car derived van
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Mk3 Capri LS
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Oct 10, 2018 20:14:01 GMT
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In 2015 they raised lorry limits to 50 on single and 60 on double. So we're all the same now. Except on a motorway where it's safe to drive at 70  |
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Rob M
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Oct 10, 2018 20:22:09 GMT
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It used to only be the bigger vans now I think it's anything bigger than a car derived van I believe it is all commercial vehicles ( no side windows) that have to follow the rules. In addition, IIRC, all of those pick ups and crewcab Nissans and the like are also classed as commercial vehicles. I'm happy to be corrected. |
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Oct 10, 2018 20:24:36 GMT
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When I had my own business I ran Mercedes sprinters
Has anyone tried to stick to the 60 or 70 mph speed limit in a sprinter?
Very hard , I see them all in the outside lane every morning on the m25
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Last Edit: Oct 10, 2018 20:25:02 GMT by Mercdan68
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Oct 10, 2018 20:26:34 GMT
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When I had my own business I ran Mercedes sprinters Has anyone tried to stick to the 60 or 70 mph speed limit in a sprinter? Very hard , I see them all in the outside lane every morning on the m25 Yeh weren't they limited to 100 as they're so aerodynamic (being so long)? |
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Oct 10, 2018 20:27:10 GMT
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An obvious result of having different speed limits for different classes of vehicle, which has probably never been considered by those responsible for setting them, is disruption to the smooth flow of traffic.
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Oct 10, 2018 20:28:39 GMT
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When I had my own business I ran Mercedes sprinters Has anyone tried to stick to the 60 or 70 mph speed limit in a sprinter? Very hard , I see them all in the outside lane every morning on the m25 Yeh weren't they limited to 100 as they're so aerodynamic (being so long)? None of mine were limited......on the autobahn officer |
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Oct 10, 2018 20:36:32 GMT
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It used to only be the bigger vans now I think it's anything bigger than a car derived van I believe it is all commercial vehicles ( no side windows) that have to follow the rules. In addition, IIRC, all of those pick ups and crewcab Nissans and the like are also classed as commercial vehicles. I'm happy to be corrected. Car derived vans and Dual purpose vehicles have the same speed limits as cars, so double cab and crew cab pick ups can travel at car speeds but they have to meet the dpv criteria... “A dual purpose vehicle is a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods and designed to weigh no more than 2,040 kg when unladen, and is either: constructed or adapted so that the driving power of the engine is, or can be selected to be, transmitted to all wheels of the vehicle or permanently fitted with a rigid roof, at least one row of transverse passenger seats to the rear of the driver’s seat and will have side and rear windows - there must also be a minimum ratio between the size of passenger and stowage areas fitted with a rigid roof, at least one row of transverse passenger seats to the rear of the driver’s seat and will have side and rear windows - there must also be a minimum ratio between the size of passenger and stowage areas” |
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Oct 10, 2018 20:54:49 GMT
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With pick-ups and small vans it depends how they are registered and taxed. We Navaras at work and they were classed as commercial due to their tax, therefore 60mph and the same weight limits. Private owned was different. Weirdly the same goes for small vans such as T4 and T5's and the Caravelle versions.
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Oct 10, 2018 20:58:34 GMT
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I’ve got a transporter 4motion, so I get the higher limits even as a panel van... which I believe is why it was registered as ‘van/side windows’ on the v5 even though it didn’t have side windows
It’s all a bit of a farce though, bad luck on getting caught
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Oct 10, 2018 20:59:47 GMT
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Next time i may go for one like this. Do you think this would share the limits with cars?  |
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Oct 10, 2018 20:59:48 GMT
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Ours in Yodel are restricted to 62 which is 100kph, however out hire vans aren't and got to be so careful when you when your foot down expecting to hit a limited and you're already flying... surprising how many of the drivers don't know it's 50 on a single for a van, loads have been caught out in work.
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Oct 10, 2018 21:04:37 GMT
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Next time i may go for one like this. Do you think this would share the limits with cars? I've just read the ad for that van and apparently it is classed like a car. Hmm, i think that might be a plan |
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Darkspeed
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Oct 10, 2018 21:24:57 GMT
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Surely its all NPR so it's just the plate it checks against the D-base - However, I am also led to believe that some of the smart cams will also pick up trailers so when towing they they apply the lower limit to the plate.
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Oct 10, 2018 21:59:53 GMT
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It comes down to how they weere homologated, if they are m1 wbich is a passenger vehicle up to 9 seats its 70 if its as n1, light goods vehicle its 60. all the stuff about windows etc is misleading, a 9 seat bus can be n1 and a panel van m1, how they are sold also varies country by country dependant on local taxation rules.
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pavel
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Oct 10, 2018 22:14:43 GMT
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Someone mentioned my Ford Ranger had "reduced limits" as it was technically N1 (despite being a privately owned VAT paid truck).
This was mentioned after I'd been driving it around for months blissfully unaware. Never did get flashed or stopped, but I guess a Gatso can't really distinguish between a 2.3 tonne pickup and a 2.3 tonne Range Rover... Still don't know how it tells apart a van at roughly the same weight. Black magic.
There doesn't seem to be a particularly easy way of finding this stuff out. Or I'm just useless at navigating Gov.uk websites....
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Oct 10, 2018 22:24:03 GMT
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any commerical van is limited to 50 on main rds 60 on dual carriage way unless its a limited dual carriage way
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Oct 10, 2018 22:28:40 GMT
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s friend got a ticket for doing 60 . he phoned up and said yes i was doing 60 in a main rd thats the speed limited , yes was the reply for a car , your driving a caddy van , he said yes but i have rear seats got enginner report so its now a crew van , yes thast right its a van commerical vehicles ie vans are limited to 50 mph not 60 mph so £100 3 points
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Oct 10, 2018 22:29:14 GMT
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Someone mentioned my Ford Ranger had "reduced limits" as it was technically N1 (despite being a privately owned VAT paid truck). This was mentioned after I'd been driving it around for months blissfully unaware. Never did get flashed or stopped, but I guess a Gatso can't really distinguish between a 2.3 tonne pickup and a 2.3 tonne Range Rover... Still don't know how it tells apart a van at roughly the same weight. Black magic. There doesn't seem to be a particularly easy way of finding this stuff out. Or I'm just useless at navigating Gov.uk websites.... Have a look on your logbook. I just checked and mine has N1 next to vehicle category |
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