Ryannn
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Sick of the keyless chuck on my B&D jamming up, I’ve decided I need a new drill. I don’t know whether to go battery with my replacement?
I have no issues with power sources in the garage or shed and my current drill is corded. I just wonder whether I would use it enough to keep the batteries in good condition? I probs only use it a couple of times a month 😆
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I'll be interested in the answers as well. I have a cordless, bought when I had no handy power source, but it hardly gets used, so I'm thinking of switching too.
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No idea on the current li-on lifespans but all the battery tools i have bought over the years are dead and useless (except the 12v stuff as i can run it off a car battery on a lead) so if you can use a corded tool without too much bother I would strongly favour getting them.
If the tool is good but the chuck fubar then maybe get another chuck?
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Mar 30, 2020 10:16:52 GMT
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Decent quality cordless stuff is very good - my Dewalt 18v batteries for the drill & impact driver died after 10 years of professional use - new Dewalt batteries were more money to replace than purchasing the entire kit again i.e. £400 for the batteries vs £350 for the kit new drill / impact driver / charger + 2 batteries - I found a very good company that supplies batteries for everything that you can think of and purchased a pair for £120 - they are still in daily use 3 years later
If its just going to get occasional use I would advise purchasing a mid range cordless drill - the flexibility of them is superior over the corded ones - don't bother with the cheapo utter rubbish stuff you are just wasting your money
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Ryannn
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Mar 30, 2020 10:26:42 GMT
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No idea on the current li-on lifespans but all the battery tools i have bought over the years are dead and useless (except the 12v stuff as i can run it off a car battery on a lead) so if you can use a corded tool without too much bother I would strongly favour getting them. If the tool is good but the chuck fubar then maybe get another chuck? I had considered that but didn’t know whether it was possible? It’s got this kind with the button underneath.
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I need a new drillBenzBoy
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Mar 30, 2020 12:27:55 GMT
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I'd imagine you can get a regular keyless chuck to replace that one if that's all that's wrong with it. The button underneath would then just be redundant. A cordless is great if you're going to be using it fairly regularly to keep the battery alive. Bosch, De Walt, Makita etc all make lower-end units that will still last if you're a hobby user, and make good quality professional level stuff too. I'd echo what @grumpynorthener said and buy a known brand, although having said that I bought a corded hammer drill in Asda for £4.99 when I was away from home and needed one to do a job, it's still going strong! Awful to use though, would not recommend!
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I'd agree with the above on cordless, I have an old Bosch professional drill which must be 20 years old now, has been heavily used/abused and still works fine (3rd set of batteries which are now chaep as its obsolete), I do need several batteries though as they don't last that long when drilling. I understand the modern Bosch stuff is nowhere as well made though.(when all this is over we are thinking about treating ourselves to something more modern) On the other hand I have a cheap own brand corded drill which has also taken an immense amount of abuse (including smoke pouring out of it) and still works fine, a new keyed chuck for your drill is only about a fiver on ebay, I'd start there as it will always be usefull to have whatever you decide in the long run. (the cordless chucks usually have a screw through the centre and are on a left handed thread to the spindle)
The other thing with battery ones is they don't being left for ages unused particularly with a flat battery.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:26:05 GMT
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I've now got about four 70s era black and decker corded drills, bought on eBay for about £5 each. Better made and much quieter than modern plastic ones, and they're retro !
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I gave up with cordless stuff because I simply don't use them enough. I still have my Ryobi cordless stuff, but it barely gets used at all. I bought a basic corded hammer drill from Machine Mart 10 years ago - cost me about £30. It's a bit agricultural but works really well and I haven't killed it yet. Yes, the cordless ones are easier to use in confined spaces but that's once in a blue moon.
As an aside, try to use the best drill bits you can - I use Bosch. The cheapo bits from B&Q and the like tend to be made of licorice.
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slater
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I need a new drillslater
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Cant believe people are still fannying around with corded drills in 2020! Even a cheap ryobi or kilder has got to be light years ahead surely?! (never used one but the various brands seem to have converged a fair bit as far as quality goes) I guess theres a price difference, a 2nd hand corded drill should basically be free now i would think lol! You get what you pay for tho, the cordless tools basically do everything the corded one will do but will be a lot more refined and convenient.. Think the only corded drills ive used in the last 10 years are an SDS or gut buster for mixing plaster..
The comments on not using it enough just arnt relevant anymore. Modern L-ion batteries don't care how much they are used or not used, how long they get left in the box flat or fully charged. All the pitfalls of dodgy ni-cad battery are firmly a thing of the past and have been for a while. Batteries commonly last basically for the life of the tool now.
I'm a Bosch man myself. Not the cheapest to get going with but invest in a decent drill, pair of batteries and charger and you can add other cordless tools at a later date. I'm yet to break any of them!
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Cant believe people are still fannying around with corded drills in 2020! Even a cheap ryobi or kilder has got to be light years ahead surely?! (never used one but the various brands seem to have converged a fair bit as far as quality goes) I guess theres a price difference, a 2nd hand corded drill should basically be free now i would think lol! You get what you pay for tho, the cordless tools basically do everything the corded one will do but will be a lot more refined and convenient.. Think the only corded drills ive used in the last 10 years are an SDS or gut buster for mixing plaster.. The comments on not using it enough just arnt relevant anymore. Modern L-ion batteries don't care how much they are used or not used, how long they get left in the box flat or fully charged. All the pitfalls of dodgy ni-cad battery are firmly a thing of the past and have been for a while. Batteries commonly last basically for the life of the tool now. I'm a Bosch man myself. Not the cheapest to get going with but invest in a decent drill, pair of batteries and charger and you can add other cordless tools at a later date. I'm yet to break any of them! I totally get what you're saying but for the amount I need to use a drill in the house or on the car, it just isn't feasible. I have an old Ryobi cordless (think it's 12 years old) and the batteries are a significant way past their best. Why am I going to spend roughly £80-£100 on a new cordless Ryobi which I will barely use when I have a perfectly usable corded drill. If I was using it every day, then yes, I would probably grab myself a deal on a Makita or similar. But it's a luxury item I have not much need for right now. I also don't have a spare ton sitting around that I can just splash out on a drill. Not all of us have pots of money to spend on tools. It probably doesn't help that I am cut from a similar cloth as my Dad, who still has and occasionally uses) the Wolf drill his old man had. My Dad is 80...
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I'll be interested in the answers as well. I have a cordless, bought when I had no handy power source, but it hardly gets used, so I'm thinking of switching too. Tried to charge the drill yesterday. Doesn't want to play. Dead as a doornail. Mind it is a Ni-Cad, about six years old, a no-name cheapy and had only intermittent use. Suppose I can't really complain. Interested in slater's view on L-ion batteries. If this is really the case, then I'd be thinking about replacing with cordless again.
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Last Edit: Apr 3, 2020 5:39:36 GMT by georgeb
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Lipo batteries don't tolerate being left unused for extended periods, they will probably be ok for monthly use but it's not ideal. I've got a lovely little set of a 12v AEG impact driver and drill, I kept them for kitchen fitting so don't get used regularly, not done a kitchen in 3 or 4 months and the batteries are both deader than a dead thing. If you are going to store them unused then the cell manufacturers have a recommended procedure to follow to ensure they don't degrade. Also being left over night in cold or freezing conditions (like in a van or garage) according to the instructions with my Dewalt kit can cause permanent damage.
I'm a professional user, my 5 18v 4ah dewalt lipos have significantly degraded with 3 years use (4 years from date of manufacture) I'm also on my second drill, the first one burned out in spectacular fashion throwing bits of molten plastic out whilst I desperately tried to unplug the battery. I've bought some supposed 5ah aftermarket batteries from eBay, they got a capacity of approx 2ah so ended up getting my money back, the seller just wanted to refund not send some actual 5ah ones so I assume they were all badged higher than the reality.
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I have a Dewalt cordless and wouldn't buy another. First one went pop whilst under warranty and the replacement gets very hot and kills the battery's if you start doing anything heavy duty with it. The gearbox also slips quite badly. Mine might just be a bad one but not overly impressed. it will die shortly, especially as my drill press motor has just expired, and when time comes I am tempted by the Milwaukee sets that seem to have dropped dramatically in price over the past few months. Mind you for the usage you have in mind why not have a look one marketplace - there seem to be a lot of tools for sale on there at the moment. P.
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There are some you tube videos on how to breathe new life into drill batteries. Don't do it in the lounge though 😉
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Ryannn
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Tbh I’ll probably stick to a corded one. I use a battery one at work and I can never decide whether the battery or the bit is at fault when it can’t get through something!
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Last Edit: Apr 3, 2020 18:17:48 GMT by Ryannn
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Dez
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I need a new drillDez
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Cordless stuff needs to be used regularly to keep it in good condition, even li-ion. They don’t like being left part-charged either. Also never charge them til they’re totally depleted.
I used to have one drill at home and one at work, the work one got used regularly, the home one proably only every other weekend. The home one didn’t last very well at all. It was become problematic way before the one in regular use. Now I just have one and take it home at weekends. It’s lasting way longer than before, current one so now about 3 years old with no loss of performance.
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There are some you tube videos on how to breathe new life into drill batteries. Don't do it in the lounge though 😉 Look up lipo battery fire on YouTube before you even think about it!
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