mrbig
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Aug 26, 2022 14:25:54 GMT
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Sell the Capri, keep the Escort and buy a Nissan Cube. Don't buy another disposable modern as I have followed your travails with the previous purchases and you are not on a good streak with that approach. This is a great idea. Modern enough to be reliable (in theory) must also has the ability to be maintained DIY, but also its a cult/collectors car, so should do a good job retaining value. And they are unbelievably practical!
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1969 German Look Beetle - in progress
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westycapri
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Such a difficult question.
What do you enjoy driving the most and gives you the biggest smile? Whatever that is I'd keep it and I'd sell the other one. Based on what I've read I'd think that is the escort you'd keep (it's also rare and v cool)
In terms of getting something else whenever you buy something which isn't brand new or nearly new you'll probably have some issues with it to work out. Sometimes better the devil you know, didn't you buy that combo?
Finally can you contribute more on the missus car (pay insurance, servicing etc...) so less inclined to give you grief.
Ps hope you don't need to sell anything
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@fantasticmrford 1984 Ford Capri 2.0s 1978 Ford Transit Autosleeper 1975 Landrover Series 111 Dormobile
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ChasR
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Keep escort sell Capri …..no reasons just my humble opinion The escort is a keeper no doubt. This. It's quite obvious TBH . You can always work on the Escort more now anyway. Interested why you need to sell either tho? Space, money?? Historics are so dirt cheap to own nowadays seems a shame to sell one for the sake of a couple of 100 a year. Depends on the classic. Most of my old cars, even with tax and insurance (well, correct kind), accounted for, the Moderns would be cheaper, and easier to get good quality bits for. For my BL stuff, most stuff was garbage. Get decent stuff and it was easily as expensive as the German stuff I now own. I used to us them as impromptu dailies often. The Merc W124 was probably the exception to the rule, but even the new owner has ploughed in some cash into that, and has had to. Fuel is now the big one, especially with mileage. Most of my older cars used almost as much fuel as my Porker 944 (25MPG). Last month, I did 1500 miles in my 325d, coming in at £270. Ouch! It would be near double for my past retros, bar the W124 250D, but that didn't really move anywhere either . Back on topic. I'd get something modern but the best modern that you can afford. I'd go Japanese or German, but see what parts availability is like, which is why I've suggested German, despite them not always being reliable. My Fords have been good, but on my '08 plate Mondeo, many things were becoming NLA, or dealer only.
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Cheap to run, reliable daily with lots of space?
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Problem with selling a retro you have nurtured and kept alive is the regret once its finally gone and not coming back. Current prices / values seem to be what was affordable only a few years ago have gone up in price often out of a sensible budget then as mentioned fuel is a big factor. Once youve owned a retro that is stand out from the crowd be it by rarity or just been different to the modern tin on the roads once you sell it on and thoughts return like they do of having another by then price and availability dictates higher price and chances lost forever.
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Started out with nothing and have most of it left.
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Aug 28, 2022 12:27:36 GMT
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Problem with selling a retro you have nurtured and kept alive is the regret once its finally gone and not coming back. Current prices / values seem to be what was affordable only a few years ago have gone up in price often out of a sensible budget then as mentioned fuel is a big factor. Once youve owned a retro that is stand out from the crowd be it by rarity or just been different to the modern tin on the roads once you sell it on and thoughts return like they do of having another by then price and availability dictates higher price and chances lost forever. Not always the case though. I’ve sold many over the yrs (in fact a Delorean very recently) that I’d owned for varying lengths of time & never regretted selling a single one. You just have to think about the good time (or in some cases not maybe) you had with them & move on
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Aug 28, 2022 19:47:45 GMT
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Rattlecan your right if you do just move on to another car but if you start thinking afterwards was that the right move and then want the same type of vehicle the selling price don't always match the buying price of that desired retro you now want.
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Started out with nothing and have most of it left.
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Aug 29, 2022 12:01:06 GMT
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From just reading your initial qustion it's clear that you are more attached to the Escort. Therefore that is the one to keep. However I would try all sorts of options in order to keep both if possible. There has to be a friend or family member with space on the drive or out of the way on a farm, somewhere - yes, even if it means only getting to use it occasionally, but then make that a special occasion and make the circumstances work for you. If you do need to sell, the Capri will be much more saleable, and worth more. There is no joy in selling (or trying to sell) a car that you cherish, to get offered a pittance and have jibes and sneers. To many people the Escort will just be an old 80s banger that is one bulb failure away from the tip - and worth scrap value + whatever petrol is currently in it. I would hate to ever have to sell my Fiat Regata - it's worth to other people wouldn't amount to a weeks groceries. If you do then sell the Capri, I would focus on a vehicle that is as practical and easily run as possible. For your needs I would be suggesting a Berlingo/Partner van (or Multispace) in the 04-10 era - a 60mpg hdi engine, French diesel reliability and no resale concerns - i.e. whatever you buy it for, you will get if/when you need to sell. I would definitely NOT be getting into a non-mainstream car - anything you cannot get parts off the shelf at your local motor factors is going to miss the whle point of your criteria. If you want to jump into a vehicle with all your instruments at 6am and be at a recording studio at 8.30 in London and not ever have to worry about a breakdown, running costs, parking dings or downtime - you want something that mechanics know their way around, factors keep parts to hand for, doesn't break down often anyway, was mass produced so there are millions of parts, and not so obscure that insurance needs to ask you "how do you spell that?" Mk2 Focus estate, B6 Passat, Avensis wagon if you can find one, Berlingo, 206/207/307/406 SW, all this kind of thing... Or a Fiat 500 Abarth on finance. Or a tank. Arrive by helicopter like a boss. Live the life you want to lead and other influencer inspired rubbish
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dikkehemaworst
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Sell both.....
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braaap
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^ Like for the picture, not necessarily the advice.
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cjhillman
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Sept 10, 2022 13:34:18 GMT
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I thought i'd update this as i did that thing of starting a thread, reading all the comments and not finding time to update. It looks like I can carry on a bit longer as I am for a while, I chipped in for a service on my Girlfriends Nissan and shes happier now although if next summer is as busy as this one, i'll probably have to get serious then. From Novemeber onwards i'm on tour and I imagine before then it will only be local gigs or TV stuff using the train. Re the cars though. I havent really used the Escort in 2 weeks. I changed its fuels pipes as they're were far from good and parked it up since then. I've used the Capri a lot more as its more fun, sounds great down country lanes and its been fun pulling up to local gigs in it (thats what its all about right? ). I drove down to my folks last week in the Capri for a few days and borrowed my Dads A3 2.0 TDI for an afternoon for a gig... absolutely loved how quick and frugal it was. If I sold one I would buy something like this I think, although I read some bad stuff about the 2.0 TDI Engine. Also started thinking If I sold the Escort maybe I could get bits of welding done on the Capri and start making it more fun e.g. Quicker, LSD/welded diff. I probably just need to carry on through winter at the moment, see what I use the most/enjoy and either sell one or both if no reasonable storage raises its head and figure it out from there. I'll probably bring the Escort down to Retro Rides gathering as I havent done a long trip in it for a while, its more practical and the Capri needs a gearbox rear seal fitting... could go on the way down i'm wondering. Might help with my decision after using the Capri a lot too. Also I like the idea of buying a practical car that wont loose its value like a Cube or something although I wouldnt want another money pit or something i'm too attached to and want to send money on. I did try to be sensible with the Van last year but on reflection it wasnt sensible at all. Its a shame mk1 Focus's are getting old now, that 1.4 I had was probably the perfect cheap daily.
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Last Edit: Sept 10, 2022 13:38:10 GMT by cjhillman
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thebaron
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Sept 10, 2022 13:56:35 GMT
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All good if you can push the decision down the line a bit.
MK1 Focus is a good shout. Ideally an estate. My parents had a 1.6 Ghia Saloon that I took to Switzerland when I moved here first and used it for a year. Really a solid car with a great chassis.
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cjhillman
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Sept 10, 2022 17:08:00 GMT
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All good if you can push the decision down the line a bit. MK1 Focus is a good shout. Ideally an estate. My parents had a 1.6 Ghia Saloon that I took to Switzerland when I moved here first and used it for a year. Really a solid car with a great chassis. Yeah they are really good. I had a 2002 Focus 1.4 Estate and it was pretty quick for a big ole car. I had it 7 years and scrapped it on moving to London 5 years ago. I think the only break down I had was the thermostat housing warping (so i'm told). It got a bit hot and had a wee on the floor... was never quite the same after that haha. Its just a shame they're a bit old now possibly. Also the St170 Estate floats my boat, could later be harvested for its engine but now i'm getting silly again.
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Sept 14, 2022 0:24:15 GMT
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ChasR
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Sept 14, 2022 5:46:43 GMT
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From just reading your initial qustion it's clear that you are more attached to the Escort. Therefore that is the one to keep. However I would try all sorts of options in order to keep both if possible. There has to be a friend or family member with space on the drive or out of the way on a farm, somewhere - yes, even if it means only getting to use it occasionally, but then make that a special occasion and make the circumstances work for you. If you do need to sell, the Capri will be much more saleable, and worth more. There is no joy in selling (or trying to sell) a car that you cherish, to get offered a pittance and have jibes and sneers. To many people the Escort will just be an old 80s banger that is one bulb failure away from the tip - and worth scrap value + whatever petrol is currently in it. I would hate to ever have to sell my Fiat Regata - it's worth to other people wouldn't amount to a weeks groceries. If you do then sell the Capri, I would focus on a vehicle that is as practical and easily run as possible. For your needs I would be suggesting a Berlingo/Partner van (or Multispace) in the 04-10 era - a 60mpg hdi engine, French diesel reliability and no resale concerns - i.e. whatever you buy it for, you will get if/when you need to sell. I would definitely NOT be getting into a non-mainstream car - anything you cannot get parts off the shelf at your local motor factors is going to miss the whle point of your criteria. If you want to jump into a vehicle with all your instruments at 6am and be at a recording studio at 8.30 in London and not ever have to worry about a breakdown, running costs, parking dings or downtime - you want something that mechanics know their way around, factors keep parts to hand for, doesn't break down often anyway, was mass produced so there are millions of parts, and not so obscure that insurance needs to ask you "how do you spell that?" Mk2 Focus estate, B6 Passat, Avensis wagon if you can find one, Berlingo, 206/207/307/406 SW, all this kind of thing... Or a Fiat 500 Abarth on finance. Or a tank. Arrive by helicopter like a boss. Live the life you want to lead and other influencer inspired rubbish (Almost) fully agree with that. Berlingo is a great shout. I can't agree with a B6. For me, it's the worst car I ever had. Breaking that car was its best fate and Jesus I made a small fortune on spares. My mates 2 weren't alot better. As a comparison We had our 2006 1.9 105 TDI S in 2013 (1.9 TDI S) Mate had a 2007 2.0 TDI SE DSG in 2013 Another one had a 2006 2.0 TFSI SEL from 2014 to around 2017. Out of those, the TFSI was the best, but even that wasn't problem free. Almost all had brake calipers, which as you know are EPB @ £130 a pop for something reputable, then ideally require calibration. Mine had the dreaded steering lock issues (with the earlier module to add insult to injury(it was the second time it went ; it originally went under warranty with the first owner)), and the 'box spectacularly exploding, which it seems in the trade isn't unheard of on the 5 speeds. Bar my worst enemy, I couldn't recommend one. I'd recommend the B5.5s but they are old and as you said, some spares are drying up. VAG themselves don't really support them as much.
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Last Edit: Sept 14, 2022 5:49:17 GMT by ChasR
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Mark
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Sept 15, 2022 7:56:37 GMT
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If you want a diesel, I think the VW PD engine is the way to go - an Octavia would swallow up all your gear easily. Not fun to drive or look at but they have their fans.
For what it's worth I would sell the Escort as it appears you are more attached to the Escort but actually prefer driving and using the Capri. Once you buy something that is easy to hop in and drive, my opinion is that you really need your classic to be an event to make you want to drive it otherwise it'll just sit there!
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cjhillman
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Sept 16, 2022 18:26:43 GMT
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If you want a diesel, I think the VW PD engine is the way to go - an Octavia would swallow up all your gear easily. Not fun to drive or look at but they have their fans. For what it's worth I would sell the Escort as it appears you are more attached to the Escort but actually prefer driving and using the Capri. Once you buy something that is easy to hop in and drive, my opinion is that you really need your classic to be an event to make you want to drive it otherwise it'll just sit there! Its funny you say that. I've been polishing the Escort for RR Gathering this weekend and getting it ready after it sitting about. Drove down to my folks to drop the dog off/work at a recording studio near by and it felt pretty underwelming which is something I never thought I'd say. Looking at them both parked next to each other in the street I've loved looking at it but it does seem weaker etc compared to the Capri. Thought I'd bring it to RR Gathering as I've not used it much and it will maybe help any future decisions. Hard to get rid of this one but you might be right...
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Mar 20, 2023 11:30:52 GMT
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a bit late proabably, but just stumbled across this thread. hard decision, but personally i would keep the Escort. main reason is because i think it´s rarer than a Capri and if things have changed it´s probably easier to find a Capri than a 3-door Escort with low trim level.
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