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to risk goign off on a side track... you don;t have to spend thousands on a modern. SWMBO has a '92 reg'd '93 model Mazda 626 which I'd call modern. Cost us nothing. 2 or 3 years ago now I had a '91 Saab which cost me £170. Theres a ton of good family sized 4 & 5 doors out there can be had for peanuts (£250-£1500 for nicer ones) if you avoid the ones the minicab drivers all want. Thats not retro, its not consumerist modern, thats just bangernomics. So long as you get one shiny enough SWMBO should put up with it.
Yes, theres some nice retro stuff you can pick up cheap and a lot of it will be as reliable as a modern machine for the same money (or more) but "proper" old stuff needs sympathetic maintenance and sometime the hunt for parts can be more involved and time consuming. Sometime you have to wait on the dealer for parts for a modern or evern new car but as far as SWMBO cares its bceause its a stupid old car and thus "your fault" when its off the road.
Sometimes its about meeting expectations not dealing with a reality.
Em is still freaked that the Cortina has no HRW. Honestly its not an enjoyable experiance driving someone in a car when every 5 mins its "how can you see out of the back?" "whats that noise?" "Can you smell burning?" etc.
But we digress...
If we are going off topic or spamming too many threads or whatever then the admin/mod team needs to tell us and we can either like it and comply or leave. I'm happy to comply, I've stopped doing stuff I got told off for before eithout making any complaint, so maybe its just about reminding people of the rules and refining the rules to meet the growing userbase.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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DutyFreeSaviour
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Back For More heartbreak and disappointment.....
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I hold up my guilty little hands - the Ttriumph thread is buried in oblivion due to my own lethargy putting the updates on here. - THis kick up the rear means I'll upload the paltry photo's and get caught up asap. WE are responsible for the posts and contents - as has been said, winter blues really do sink in for a lot of folks here, it's to be expected. I don't get enough garage time due to my own business taking more and more, so am restricted to learning shed loads from Dom, Slater, OldBus, JamesTMP and others - laughing out loud at AK's rants ( others too ) and despairingly dunking my head in my cuppa as I see bollo><, Pog or any of the rest start another sarcastic comment that I find darkly amusing ;D - The inspiration from Johnny, Adam, Street, Jonny( confusing huh! ) and the work they produce keeps me going when my missus and the little voices shout SCRAP IT! ....... it's what makes this place the ONE I stick to. We are hereby warning ourselves - so take note and make the effort........ PEACE OUT
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Back from the dead..... kind of
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Feb 14, 2008 10:03:14 GMT
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In my experiance new cars are FAR from reliable. I guess I depends on which one you have, but to say old cars will break down more than new ones is just wrong. You can pick up top nick retros for 500notes that will just go and go, all that money you save can pay for your AA cover and Garage bills for when he inevitble does happen! But this is a totlay differant arguement I have to agree with slater on that one. and if the missus don't let you get a retro...get a new missus!
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Last Edit: Feb 14, 2008 10:19:01 GMT by gitfarm
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Feb 14, 2008 10:06:32 GMT
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Ok I'm not expecting a full resto from everyone but I don't seem to see many 'projects' going on in comparison to the other car forums I frequent! why is this? I know everyones going to come on and say 'well we havnt all got the facilitys you have' but thats irrelivent! you can have a 'project' that you drive to work everyday and only gets worked on when its sitting on the road outside your house! Oh and I bet people will have the cheek to claim that they in some way 'need' a modern car!! I mean come on!! OK, definitely beginning to feel unloved here My daily is a modern Merc and always will be....I'm a professional chauffeur and there is no way of operating a business like mine with a retro <--- My 'toy car' is that '55 Magnette streetrod. Even if I had a normal job I wouldn't use it as a daily, it only does 4mpg if I'm careful, has a spool instead of a dif (there's a whole new discussion) and no heaters for the winter. Plus, I'm in the process of rebuilding it. I had put a rebuild thread in Readers Rides on the new version of the forum but haven't found a way of copying it across yet (HW?). So to summarise; a modern and a streetrod, I thought the forum was flexible enough for people like me who just like to be different. I'm sorry if I don't fit in
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Aircooled is cool.......
But V8 is great!!!!!!
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bstardchild
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Is it just me or.........bstardchild
@bstardchild
Club Retro Rides Member 71
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Feb 14, 2008 10:12:15 GMT
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So to summarise; a modern and a streetrod, I thought the forum was flexible enough for people like me who just like to be different. I'm sorry if I don't fit in Do not assume any one persons opinion is the law (cept maybe HW) It takes all sorts to create a forum as diverse as this one and no one should be judge and jury
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Feb 14, 2008 10:21:58 GMT
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So to summarise; a modern and a streetrod, I thought the forum was flexible enough for people like me who just like to be different. I'm sorry if I don't fit in Do not assume any one persons opinion is the law (cept maybe HW) It takes all sorts to create a forum as diverse as this one and no one should be judge and jury You might well get a Nom for RR person of the year with comments like that. Forum is made from all its active members. I'd have new car, nowt wrong with that, if I needed one, I know that it wouldnt be paid-full for though, my monies get spent on retro's or old crappy Fords what ever you wanna call em. Currently i'm on a bike cos all of em need work. am I bovvered though? nope
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Feb 14, 2008 10:37:10 GMT
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If I had a whole stack of cash I'd be sending my spare pinto block off to Radco, hoovering up all the 13" Sierra steelies I could, getting a decent workshop and buying a brand new BMW 120d 3-door (with M-tech suspension, thank you very much) - probably the ugliest, least practical and most pointless £20k car you can buy. Guaranteed future Ooof-ness! I wouldn't talk about it on RR for at least twenty years though. ;D
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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bazzateer
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Feb 14, 2008 10:44:39 GMT
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Just a couple of points: 1. Defining Retro is about as impossible as defining Classic, however, I'd suggest anything pre 1990 is definitely on course for being Retro. 2. On the profusion of 'inane' threads - simple really, if I start reading a thread that I have no interest in guess what I do? I stop reading it and look for something else! It's not rocket science guys! If an 'inane' thread stretches to 10 pages then that's a pretty clear indication that it's not 'inane' to some people. Perhaps some of those great threads mentioned that only ran to 1-2 pages weren't that great to most users after all? As Brian said, "You don't need to follow me, you don't need to follow anyone. We're all different, we're all individuals."
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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bazzateer
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Feb 14, 2008 11:02:26 GMT
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I'd much rather drive the smart on a daily basis and leave a toy car for weekends and shows. Now I'm confused! I thought the Smart was a toy ? ;D
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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Feb 14, 2008 11:13:44 GMT
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If an 'inane' thread stretches to 10 pages then that's a pretty clear indication that it's not 'inane' to some people. Perhaps some of those great threads mentioned that only ran to 1-2 pages weren't that great to most users after all? The concern being that inane chat fills our airwaves, news stands and countless chat rooms, forums, etc on the net. Quantity and quality are not always the same thing. If you start attracting a lot of members who want to chat about rubbish all you'll get is rubbish, and the people who want the good stuff will become dis-spirited and push off elsewhere. You are then left with another forum thats just full of rubbish. I'd rather have a 1-2 page thread full of quality stuff than 7 pages of "if someone tried to steal my car I'd beat them up" "I'd beat them up more than you would" type stuff or "here's a sticker with a rude word on, aren't I radical dude putting that on my car!" "Dude my stickers havemore rude words *'d out than yours do" "Yeah, you're the king of radical, dude" etc. no offense to anyone who participated in either recent thread...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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bazzateer
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Feb 14, 2008 11:23:42 GMT
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If an 'inane' thread stretches to 10 pages then that's a pretty clear indication that it's not 'inane' to some people. Perhaps some of those great threads mentioned that only ran to 1-2 pages weren't that great to most users after all? The concern being that inane chat fills our airwaves, news stands and countless chat rooms, forums, etc on the net. Quantity and quality are not always the same thing. If you start attracting a lot of members who want to chat about rubbish all you'll get is rubbish, and the people who want the good stuff will become dis-spirited and push off elsewhere. You are then left with another forum thats just full of rubbish. I'd rather have a 1-2 page thread full of quality stuff than 7 pages of "if someone tried to steal my car I'd beat them up" "I'd beat them up more than you would" type stuff or "here's a sticker with a rude word on, aren't I radical dude putting that on my car!" "Dude my stickers havemore rude words *'d out than yours do" "Yeah, you're the king of radical, dude" etc. no offense to anyone who participated in either recent thread... You're right AK, I was doing the Devil's Advocate bit really But if a thread is so great, why does it only last 2 pages? I search back several pages when looking to make sure I don't miss anything. I'm probably also as guilty as anyone else of contributing to 'inane' threads. Devil's Advocate again, but can anyone explain who decides what is inane and what is interesting/sensible?
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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Feb 14, 2008 11:27:58 GMT
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Feb 14, 2008 11:31:31 GMT
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Devil's Advocate again, but can anyone explain who decides what is inane and what is interesting/sensible? Me. And sometimes Rmad.
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Last Edit: Feb 14, 2008 11:31:56 GMT by HoTWire
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bazzateer
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Feb 14, 2008 11:37:58 GMT
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Devil's Advocate again, but can anyone explain who decides what is inane and what is interesting/sensible? Me. And sometimes Rmad.I thought as much! Over to you then guys, get deleting!
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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Feb 14, 2008 12:39:22 GMT
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people may have noticed I've gone quiet on here...
Well... there's a number of reasons for that.. life's got in the way mainly.
I am however, "re-building" my van.. expect a ground up readers ride thread of that in the not too distant.
I'm also working on other various retros.
Reason I don't post as much.. too busy in real life, and I don't have a camera handy a lot of the time when I'm working, so can't take pics..
I'll TRY to make it habbit.
I've always browsed in the background though.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Feb 14, 2008 13:08:01 GMT
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people may have noticed I've gone quiet on here... Well... there's a number of reasons for that.. life's got in the way mainly. I am however, "re-building" my van.. expect a ground up readers ride thread of that in the not too distant. I'm also working on other various retros. Reason I don't post as much.. too busy in real life, and I don't have a camera handy a lot of the time when I'm working, so can't take pics.. I'll TRY to make it habbit. I've always browsed in the background though. YESS. I'm missing the pics of your van!
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Feb 14, 2008 13:14:01 GMT
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YESS. I'm missing the pics of your van! Righto ;D feel obliged to now . I'm doing a strip down and rebuild of the mechanical bits, I SHOULD be able to get a few hours in over the weekend
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Feb 14, 2008 13:37:22 GMT
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I think the "other Norm" hit it right. When he said if people do 5 or 6 pages on stickers, or 400 hits on "my tow truck never showed up," then I guess that's why the National Enquirer sells more copies than the Wall Street Journal. People like junk food.
Meanwhile, it's a lil frustrating to serve up steak and not get a helluva lot of feedback on the effort. It's odd to me that on an ostensibly gearhead forum, prattle gets more hits than actual retro content. But it's happening. I've got 3 installments of quality (I think) retro content this past week that serve proof. I've come round to the "other Norm"'s conclusion, that the social hi-carb diet is what many RR's want. The high protein stuff is not the central interest of many folks. And that's just part of the reality.
On another subject: (prolly should be a separate post) If suggestions are being collected, I think it is a *serious* mistake to eschew regulatory/legislative subject matter and the attendant realpolitik. There really really needs to be a healthy discussion and means of taking collective action on these matters. The fact that people will disagree and stomp around is fine. That's the making of sausage. However, if the car guys sit on their hands, we'll be eating sausage made for us rather than by us. That's true here, UK, France, Germany, anywhere there are democratic means of policy input. Inaction leads to the inevitable sad results, and it's only going to get worse if we are not hashing out our views. That hashing needs to happen somewhere. Perhaps a separate "room" of RR could be devoted to public policy matters involving motoring/environment/trade regs/subsidies/mass transit and so forth.
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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Feb 14, 2008 13:43:26 GMT
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Meanwhile, it's a lil frustrating to serve up steak and not get a helluva lot of feedback on the effort. It's odd to me that on an ostensibly gearhead forum, prattle gets more hits than actual retro content. But it's happening. I've got 3 installments of quality (I think) retro content this past week that serve proof. I've come round to the "other Norm"'s conclusion, that the social hi-carb diet is what many RR's want. The high protein stuff is not the central interest of many folks. And that's just part of the reality. Much as you and I have had our disagreements over the past few months, I have been really enjoying your threads. To everyone else, I'm sorry I've not been around as much as I'd like recently work and project commitments have caused me to be away more than I'd like. I'll attempt to trim the fluff *cough* and keep everything more in line with whats expected. I'd rather have 2 or 3 great posts a day than 20 or 30 fluff ones Thats how we started and its what made us great. Signal vs. Noise people. In reply to Norms other point about legislation and stuff, we DO have enough people to actually spread news and information, I'm hoping this is something else that Retro Cars can take a bit of a lead on.
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Feb 14, 2008 21:00:49 GMT
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Just like to say, fair play to Mr Bo11ox for kick starting some emotion again. I wondered off due to points that have already been mentioned, but I'm a real stickler for good old fashioned punctuation and grammar, combined that with the occasional drivel, shonky camera photos of common cars and the need for bumping up needless threads has helped lose the direction of what this forum is. I'm hoping Hotwire and his team recreate how this forum was when I first joined - essential, unmissable, helpful and inspiring.
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