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Jan 12, 2011 20:24:27 GMT
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As you can see in my earlier posts, a WC box is high on my needs list. My compressor is fine, and I will be removing the lot eventually. What money you got in that box? Would a full A/C setup sweeten the deal? and I never knew the gen3 was in gta4?
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Jan 13, 2011 15:18:43 GMT
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Beware getting too excited about the WC box. It is factory rated at 300 lbs torque. OK in a stock 302 or whatever. More than adequarte in a turbo 4 pot but in a tuned up 350 I doubt it will take much abuse.
Its an easy fit and its what Id probably go with as it involves changing little else (asuming the Ford one fits your bellhousing without an adaptor?) but don't go thinking you have a bullet proof box in there. Its chocolate with decent tuning on that 350.
Depends if you plan on tuning the 350 much.
A mate had one which had killed the T5 with the 305 still in it. That had a TH350 auto swapped in as back then (early 90s) was the only economical option to get it sorted.
Anyway, I digress.
The heater matrix is behind the dash on the passenger side on a LHD F body so unless yours has been moved to make space for the RHD column thats where it should be on yours too,
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Jan 13, 2011 15:21:54 GMT
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also there won't be a choke cable, the choke is automatic (you have a Qjet on there yeah).
If you chuck the Qjet for a Holley LMK if you are just pitching it in the metal bin as I do like these carbs even though most people want a Holley. I'll pay beer + P&P even for a not too clever one. Sort of like slot mags, I can't resist cheap ones. Them and Carter AFBs.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 13, 2011 19:31:57 GMT
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Depends if you plan on tuning the 350 much. Yup. Sod that idea then. I do have a Q-jet. If it is an Auto choke it certainly doesnt work. To be honest the interior is in such a bad need of a rewire that the tuning is slipping down the list a bit. Want to retain the Manual on it though so a T56 or something of equal beef will no doubt need sourced. The slot mag thing i can relate to. i have a set in the garage that fits nothing. They exist just so i can sleep at night knowing i own slots. So without going down a long and controversial road of discussion, whats the differences between the Rochester, Carter and Holley 4 barrels? Werent Weber in the mix as well?
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Jan 14, 2011 19:24:20 GMT
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The autochoke should be a relatively easy fix if everything else is working OK on the carb. I'd retain the manual, its unusual to see. And in a RHD its the ideal combo. When I saw it on eBay I thought it was the perfect mate for mine which is LHD and auto... Anyway... There are loads of tougher boxes - The Corvette 4+3 box, the Corvette 6 speed (ZF), the T56 and then several options from Tremec / TKO. Maybe even a Doug Nash or a Tranzilla might turn up... Keep an eye on eBay and RodsnSods etc. Rochester made the Quadrajet. It was "the closest thing to fuel injection in a carb". I like them. Very small primaries compared to the secondaries means if you drive gentle you use less fuel. Tuning them is a different process to tuning the more commonly understood Holley and such. Its a more modern design (mid 1960s rather than 1950s!) and anyone bad mouthing them is someone who doesn't understand them. Ideal for road use. Possibly not the best carb for a highly strung race engine. Mostly these have a spread bore base. Carter made two series of carbs of interest to us - the AFB (Aluminium Four Barrel) and the AVS (Aluminium Vacuum Secondary). These are now manufactured by Edelbrock as the Performer and Thunder AVS. The smaller versions of these are also sold in some markets as Weber. Also since Weber bought out Carter (in like 1985 IIRC) the Weber logo has been on Carter carbs. I only know the AFB and I like these. They don't leak, the mix screws are easy to get to on the front base of the carb, the needles can be removed to tune the carb without stripping it down. Lots of people claim these can't be tuned or that this is hard work. IMO they are wrong. Mostly these are square bore fitting. Carter also turned out a Qjet type carb called the Thermoquad which was mostly used on muscle car era Mopars but some others. These are even more misunderstood than Qjets. I know little about them but no new ones are available (Edelbrock did do them for a while but were discontinued). Many Mopar types claim these are the best carbs for mild to moderate performance road use. Holley, and by extension those people who build carbs based on Holley's design, are the most commonly sought "performance" carbs. Dating back to 1957 or so the 4100 series is the cheapy, there's a 4150 and 4160 series as vacuum and mechanical secondary with single or dual accelerator pumps (hense being called double pumpers) and then last up is the 4500 series which is called The Dominator. The Dominator has its own base plate bolt pattern, the others are usually square bore. I might be confusing the model numbers a bit. There are variations like the Avenger series and the HP series. These are all sqaure bore and have a number of features to enhanse tunability and tweaking on highly strung motors. Everybody knows and loves (or loves to hate) Holleys. They can be leak prone, they can involve a lot of tinkering to set up right, but they offer more options to tweak and tune than other carbs, especially HP, Dominator or whatever. Note than pretty much every hard core carb based V8 racer is Holley or a "clone". Other Holley "clones" come from Barry Grant / Demon, Quick Fuel Technology, Proform, Professional Products, and others. Various people will tell you reasons why any one of these is superior. If you want to get really funky you could get yourself a Predator. This was the first (and possibly only) real attempt to come up with a V8 performance carburettor from scratch, blank sheet of paper design, its almost like a giant 4 barrel SU carb or something... Most people regard them as black magic. They are well cool. Read more here: www.predatorcarb.com/TBH for a mild V8 I think you'll make any carb work if you tune it right. Avoid overdoing the carb (a 1150 Dominator might be tempting for the cool factor but would kill a mild 350 - the air flow will not atomise the fuel as the signal will be too weak for a carb that size leading to stumbling and poor fuel consumption and bad throttle response) I might have a 600 or 650 Holley here if you go that route. Won't be dear, or would do a deal with a Qjet.
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Jan 14, 2011 20:47:18 GMT
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Jesus! Those Predators are something else! There goes my evening in researching those oddballs!
I may well be up for a deal on a Holley Alistair. If they are better supported and easier tuned than a Qjet then its probably my best bet. Mind you, as i know as much about Holleys as i do Rochesters i'm not too bothered about unfamiliarity. I'm not generally one to baulk at the idea of rolling the sleeves up and finding out the ins and outs of it. Let me know what Hlley it is when you find it (and PM me what you are thinking in a deal)
Presumably though i will need to change my manifold? (good excuse to plump a performer or something similar on....)
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Jan 14, 2011 21:17:38 GMT
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you can get a spacer/adaptor toput a square bore (Holley etc.) on a spreadbore (Qjet etc) manifold. Maybe work the other way around too? The Edelbrock Performer and some other dual plane manifolds are provided with carb pads which are dual pattern for both type of carb.
I'll have a rummage in the attic over the weekend.
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Jan 18, 2011 11:46:51 GMT
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Well I got the engine block number, although a quick check on google confirms the suspicions.
14010201 - 305ci.
So not only is the fella I bought it from a complete liar, he's also fudged the V5 to go with it.
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Jan 18, 2011 13:09:02 GMT
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You still interested in this box pal?
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Jan 18, 2011 13:16:41 GMT
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Not right now, sorry.
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Jan 18, 2011 14:48:17 GMT
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Damn, you must feel gutted.
The previous owner might have got lied too himself, but I hope you at least gave him a threatening call?
Anyhow, the only logical thing to do is to find a bigger engine for it ;D If you decide to buy a carb, a new (used) alloy manifold is too cheap to pass, and will most likely fit your new engine, but I would just buy a new manifold for the q-jet. Same goes for most other bolt-on-go faster goodies.
Hope your mojo isn't lost for all eternity, you've got a too cool car to give up now ;D
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2011 14:48:28 GMT by dude
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Jan 18, 2011 17:59:39 GMT
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Well I've been stewing on it all day. On the plus side the much debated T5 can stay. Will replace the release bearing and run it for a season. The noise from it is masking everything else! No point calling anyone. It's my fault for not checking. If I change the manifold, carb and headers I will be looking at some decent grunt regardless. Either way, for a first time American, it's still a decent car! Watch this space as there is a custom dash on it's way once I get my Aw11 sorted. That and new wheels...
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Jan 18, 2011 20:19:41 GMT
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I know how you must feel - many moons ago I bought a Rover SD1 vitesse and wondered why it's performance was lukewarm.
The original 9.75:1 motor had long gone and in it's place was a 8.13:1 item out of a range rover - my fault for not checking the engine number.
I always liked the camaro from seeing the one Patrick Swayze drove in next of kin.
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Jan 18, 2011 21:29:26 GMT
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Hmm yeah as I suspected, it was far more likely to be a 305, it pays to do your research, there's more knowledge out there on chevy small blocks than probably any other engine, there's also a very good buyers guide for these on thridgen.org, not trying to be negative, you've still got a cool car that can turn heads and go like hell with a few mods...
305's can make good power, very good if you import a set of Vortec heads, (standard chevy heads off the later vortec engines) the real restriction is the small bore size leading to rather undersized valves, that said 200bhp and 300lb/ft can had from a fairly mild street 305 on carbs, 300ishbhp would probably be a realistic limit with vortec heads and a streetable cam, BUT rebuildable 350's can be had for £300ish and rebuild kits to mild street spec can be had for another £300 thats everything you need pistons cam oil pump bearings core plugs ect ect...) you could build a nice spec 400bhp engine for not much more than a grand less if you scored some cheap secondhand bits off eurodragster ect..
You need good heads with decent CR, decent headers and intake, a suitable cam and a correctly sized carb plus a step up to a 3" exhaust helps no end and if your car still has the cat bin it.....
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2011 21:33:27 GMT by 10mpg
The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Its still a cool car man, having a 305 instead of a 350 is like saying you only have an 11inch mickey!
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Last Edit: Jan 22, 2011 0:58:14 GMT by leigh
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Leigh, I couldn't have put it better myself!!
Body and electrics have become my focus of attention for the moment. Will sit on it for a while and see how the funds are come tuning time.
Where's a good place for spares? Need a new clutch release bearing I think...
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10mpg
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Jan 19, 2011 10:57:21 GMT
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US automotive in the UK are extremely good and very helpfull..
Rock auto in the US has a superb online facility that give you prices to your door in £ including all taxes...
there are others WASP has a good rep as do a few others but these are the two I use...
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Jan 21, 2011 14:13:16 GMT
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10mpg
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Jan 22, 2011 11:18:33 GMT
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give 'em a call they'll soon tell ya
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Lol, still offshore at the moment so will need to wait till I'm home. Was just wondering incase anyone knew offhand...
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