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Last Edit: Jan 31, 2011 20:58:39 GMT by ims
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Jan 31, 2011 23:13:38 GMT
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I can't tell you anything about the car itself, but I've abused a 325tds engine for over 2 years now in my Scimitar and its been great.
Suprisingly revvy, good power and 50mpg when you need it. Sounds good too with a big open exhaust and the turbo whistling. What more could you want?
Al
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Jan 31, 2011 23:26:30 GMT
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There's a few threads about these already.
Very reliable, 32-35mpg in the E34, 35-40 in the E36 as it's a bit lighter. 143bhp, chip takes it to 170, decent torque. Reasonably quick if the turbo is in good order.
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This is also tempting for me as the Triumph is just too thirsty :/
What years are we talking to get a electronic fukwit friendly motor?
Also how big are they? anyone got one local?
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Be wary of it in the E34, because it's probably not much cheaper to run than a manual 525i (a post '91 one, with the M50 engine and VANOS).
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Mark
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Lewis is right there - it's true for the e39 too. I reckon it'd be nice in the e36 but I've never driven one!
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Lewis is right there - it's true for the e39 too. I reckon it'd be nice in the e36 but I've never driven one! E39 525TDS real world MPG is 43 E34 525TDS is 32 (Touring/autos) or 35 (saloon) so well worth it in the E39. Beware the 530d as it's a lot more technical/electrical and doesn't suit us types so much. Anything with a 2.5d engine would be within your skills Grunty, by a good margin. The E34 is definitely much easier to work on with the other systems though. Currently I've one of each and while the engines are the same, diving under the dash to pull some wires out seems much less appealing on the E39. E36 would be in the same boat as the '34, but not nearly as nice in any way IMO! |
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E34 and E39 are the same engine but the 39 gives far better MPG? I guess it's a better injection (read, more complicated) ? Just googled the BM numbers  E34 88-96 518i, 520i, 525i/x, 525td/s, 530i, 535i, 540i, M5 E36 91 - 99 316i, 318i/s/ti/tds, 320i, 323i, 325i/td/tds, 328i/s, M3,Z3 E39 97 - 2003 late 1990s 5 series 520i, 523i, 528i, 530d, 535i, 540i, M5 Does the above mean only 34 or 36 had 2.5 dizzles? and I guess TD is friendly while TDS is not? |
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E39 525TDS real world MPG is 43 E34 525TDS is 32 (Touring/autos) or 35 (saloon) so well worth it in the E39. Beware the 530d as it's a lot more technical/electrical and doesn't suit us types so much. Anything with a 2.5d engine would be within your skills Grunty, by a good margin. The E34 is definitely much easier to work on with the other systems though. Currently I've one of each and while the engines are the same, diving under the dash to pull some wires out seems much less appealing on the E39. E36 would be in the same boat as the '34, but not nearly as nice in any way IMO! Those figures don't sound right! I never really thought that much of those diesels though tbh, I'd rather have a M50 and not have to worry about blown turbos. As a side issue, I loved my e39 530d. 50mpg real world and smooth as (for a diesel). |
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i think the the s just stands for part of the spec i could be wrong all this bmw polava is alien to me, ive decided on an e36 just need to sell the toledo, e39s worry me as they seem to require a lot of expensive parts even at trade? I'm a vag slag (even by trade) so I'm in new waters here, anything to look out for on e36s?
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the S was intercooled, TD wasnt AFAIK (E36 is what I recall this for, don't know if this applies to the others too)
Omega's used the TD variant I think?
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So the "S" doesn't stand for scary electrics |
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E34 and E39 are the same engine but the 39 gives far better MPG? I guess it's a better injection (read, more complicated) ? Just googled the BM numbers E34 88-96 518i, 520i, 525i/x, 525td/s, 530i, 535i, 540i, M5 E36 91 - 99 316i, 318i/s/ti/tds, 320i, 323i, 325i/td/tds, 328i/s, M3,Z3 E39 97 - 2003 late 1990s 5 series 520i, 523i, 528i, 530d, 535i, 540i, M5 Does the above mean only 34 or 36 had 2.5 dizzles? and I guess TD is friendly while TDS is not? First point, yes, better management system (i.e. more electrofuzz) on the E39 Second point, not quite, that isn't a full E39 list. There was a 2.5TDS from 1996 until around '00 or '01 sometime. The 530d wasn't introduced for a couple of years (at least 99) but they did run both together for a while. E39 525TDS real world MPG is 43 E34 525TDS is 32 (Touring/autos) or 35 (saloon) so well worth it in the E39. Beware the 530d as it's a lot more technical/electrical and doesn't suit us types so much. Anything with a 2.5d engine would be within your skills Grunty, by a good margin. The E34 is definitely much easier to work on with the other systems though. Currently I've one of each and while the engines are the same, diving under the dash to pull some wires out seems much less appealing on the E39. E36 would be in the same boat as the '34, but not nearly as nice in any way IMO! Those figures don't sound right! I never really thought that much of those diesels though tbh, I'd rather have a M50 and not have to worry about blown turbos. As a side issue, I loved my e39 530d. 50mpg real world and smooth as (for a diesel). They are right though! Better management on the E39. I've put about 3k on one since the start of Jan (and the one week in Decemeber that had no snow!), and had 43mpg out of it on mixed cruising. I had 65.8 mpg on the m1 wednesday night. I've had three (or four?) E34 dizzles as well (still one in the field with the donor E21 engine with 206k) and that MPG is also measured and accurate. 530d engine far better it's true, so long as you don't need to work on it! the S was intercooled, TD wasnt AFAIK (E36 is what I recall this for, don't know if this applies to the others too) Omega's used the TD variant I think? You got it It applies across the board. |
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Daft question time from MM here:
Is the E36 318TDS a four pot 1.8? I know the last two numbers usually signify engine size, but this isn't always the case (eg 316i)
I'm looking for a 4 cyl RWD diesel at the moment (currently looking at Isuzu 1.7 mated to a Carlton box) and wondered if anyone had any experience on BMW 4 cyl diesels? I can't go for the straight six due to lack of space.
Many thanks.
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Alan, don't forget that they're only wires. We've discussed a couple times I think.. In theory, if you have a complete donor, the installation should be fairly easy, it's only when it goes wrong later down the line that it becomes more complicated to diagnose.*
*I'm saying this to myself as I'm currently unpicking an Italian MPI loom ;D
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BMW Diesels...talk to merob0r
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Daft question time from MM here: Is the E36 318TDS a four pot 1.8? I know the last two numbers usually signify engine size, but this isn't always the case (eg 316i) I'm looking for a 4 cyl RWD diesel at the moment (currently looking at Isuzu 1.7 mated to a Carlton box) and wondered if anyone had any experience on BMW 4 cyl diesels? I can't go for the straight six due to lack of space. Many thanks. I'd drop Bodieandoyle a PM if I was you! |
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from what i can gather the 318 tds is a 1.7 litre 4pot diesel
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google says 1665 cc, 90 PS turbo intercooled, 140 lbft.
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2.5 TD is 115 PS, 164 lbft to 96, 180 lbft 96 on
stick an intercooler on amongst other small differences and you get 143 PS and 190 lbft (210 96 on)
have seen one from an omega in a scimitar.
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my parents have owned 3 BMW 325TDS E36 and they were brilliant. So reliable my mums boyfriends one has done well over 200000 miles and is still going strong after being hammered on are land and using it to pick up horse feed and in the snow. They are great cant praise them enough my mum had a blue one that was chipped lovely grunting engine.
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google says 1665 cc, 90 PS turbo intercooled, 140 lbft. also - 2.5 TD is 115 PS, 164 lbft to 96, 180 lbft 96 on . You are indeed correct about the 318tds. It should really have been called 316.5 or 317 lol. Have had a few of them, one until only 2 weeks ago. Had over 200k on it with about 40k done by me in 2 years. They need to be looked after, with regular servicing and good oild but once that's done i've never had any undue problems with them, They're slow and not very exciting (that's partly to do with the stupid gearing) but my last on everaged 47.1 mpg with reasonably sensibe driving. Some magazine gave a figure of 38mpg which is curse word. The one i had beofre the last one was chipped, that is supposed to make it about 115-120 bhp i think, don't know how much it actually gives you but it did feel a lot more lively. I'd obviously vastly prefer the 325tds (not the TD, they're pretty pointless and now way i could justify the lack of grunt against the insanely hig tax here) and i've also had some of them, and 525s too, but in Ireland our road tax is massive and insurance is a really pain in the backside on anything over 2 litres. A chipped 2.5 is a fun, they claim you'll get to 170-ish bhp. It's enough to make them feel a lot faster. Someone was saying that a 525 tds would ahve the same fuel economy as a 525i 24v or something? rubbish tbh unles syou try to drive it as if it's a 525 petrol, which is hardly why you'd buy a diesel |
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