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Registration taxDarrenW
@darrenw
Club Retro Rides Member 74
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DVLA Plan to Introduce Annual "Registration Tax" on all VehiclesNew Tax to Hit "Laid Up" Classics and Disabled DriversA consultation document recently issued by the DVLA details plans to introduce a new tax on all cars registered on their system, even ones that are not used on the road by their owners. The "Fee Proposals" consultation, which closes on 8 November, claims the new tax is necessary to cover the costs of issuing photo licences to all drivers, as required by the European Union. An annual fee of £4.50 is proposed on all vehicles kept on the DVLA's computer. For most cars used on the road, this extra tax will be collected with the Vehicle Excise Duty (formerly called road tax). However, it will also apply to disabled drivers, pre-1973 classics and cars kept off road under the SORN (Statutory off Road Notification) regulations. None of these categories currently pay VED, so this will be an entirely new and separate tax. "This means that people are going to have to pay tax to keep their own vehicles in their own garage," said ABD spokesman Nigel Humphries. "£4.50 a year may not sound much, in fact it hardly seems worth the DVLA's trouble to collect it where this cannot be done through VED. But it's a dangerous precedent, and a matter of principle. Why should we pay anything for the details of our property merely to be held on someone's computer?" Enthusiasts often have several cars kept off road - future projects, possible parts cars, "saved" cars they hope to pass on to others to restore - and they will have to write out and send off a separate cheque for each vehicle every year, as the off-the-road anniversary of registration arises. The DVLA will then have to bank them. That's a lot of trouble and expense for nothing, and how much will the DVLA have left of the money after it has administered this bureaucratic leviathan on behalf of one hapless individual? "And who is to say that the fee will remain at £4.50?" continued Humphries. "The government has a long history of introducing taxes at low levels and then increasing them year on year, and people are reluctant to trust their assurances. This new registration tax gives them a mechanism for abolishing VED, adding the cost of this to fuel tax and then increasing the registration fee, automatically wiping out the benefits enjoyed by ultra low mileage classic car owners and disabled drivers alike, as well as creating a punitive charge for those storing cars off road. That is why it is to be resisted." The ABD calls on the DVLA to see sense and desist from penalising classic car owners, disabled drivers and car collectors with this pointless and bureaucratic system. Motorists pay £36 billion a year to the government in motoring related taxes. If the European Union wants photo licences there is plenty here to pay for it. Note - Consultation document is available at www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/driv.../df_summary.htmConsultation responses to donna.woods@dvla.gsi.gov.uk by 8/11/04 ************************************************** Press Enquiries: 0870 4442535 ABD general enquiries and membership: 07000-781544 For more information about the ABD visit our Website at www.abd.org.ukThe thin end of a potentially very large wedge methinks
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Yikes!
How would this affect guys like Eddie who have many, many vehicles?
Would all the vehicles in scrapyards be taxable?
Furthermore, at what point does a spares car become just a pile of spares? There needs to be more clarity!
Are museums etc. going to be subject to this tax: Many smaller museums / collections don't make a vast profit anyway: Imagine if they were stung for every car they had!
This seems to be just another stealth tax with little forethought or justification behind it.
[glow=red,2,300]Another great example of "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People" by Mr Tony B Liar![/glow]
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So now they tax you for having a car on the road, they tax you for having a car off the road, so are they looking at taxing people who don't have a car next? Seriously though, whether or not I have an old car untaxed in my garden is my own business, and Blair, Brown and the rest of them have no right to tax me for keeping it there, on private property. Isn't that some kind of infringement on peoples' rights? Apparently we live in a 'democracy' where property is guaranteed and protected, ("The primary role of government has always been protecting property, from the majority, and so it remains..." etc etc, only the Manic Street Preachers fans got that one I bet! ) but the communists in Cuba don't charge people to have old cars in their gardens!!
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Registration taxBenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
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It's a disgrace! As if we don't pay enough already. We already pay council tax on our property - what we keep in it is our business! Yet another stealth tax on the motoring majority - we ought to be more like the French on these issues and protest! I heard the fisherman have set up a blockade just this morning because of fuel duty - do they ever actually catch any fish?!
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Funny thing is I knew we were heading for this. The Government wanted to introduce continuous VED some time ago by as would be expected it met with huge resistance. So in the face of that the Government do what they always do. Bring in in a sly, underhand, round about kind of way. First they come up with SORN, then make it compulsory on pain of a fine and next there's a charge. Just how long before that charge comes into line with VED or replaces it entirely? And in a magical slight of hand, hey presto, continuous taxation, just like they wanted in the first place.
The current government is the most disgraceful, dishonest, money grabbing bunch of bastards this country has ever seen. If they get in for another term I'm out of here.
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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What it comes down to is capitalist greed. Right now in my home town they're shutting down shcools, hospitalsand everything else that doesn't turn in a profit for the government, simply because it would cost less money to spend nothing and let us all be ill and stupid. And it's at least 20 miles to the nearest hospital once the exsisting ones have been shut down, so there are hardly too many! Isn't it disgusting that all the government is interested in is making a quick profit from the public, and sticking their heads up George W Bush's ignorant *rse?!
I'd never vote conservative but do we really want another few years of state capitalism milking us dry? If it keeps up there'll be a general strike with any luck, with the threat of revolt if Tony doesn't stop listening to George Bush and his own greed instead of his own people!
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Oooh, crikey - he's off again! Know where you're coming from though, dude! Round our way, they've decided to only empty the bins once a fortnight. That's gonna be nice in the middle of July. Piles of stinking cr*p everywhere. They say its to encourage recycling. is it. It's to save them a few quid! So why do they gotta whack my council tax up by £100 per year? Then they have the cheek to say I can't recycle my old cooker, cos I turned up at the tidy tip in a Transit, and that's not allowed! I'm hardly gonna strap it to the roof of the Beemer now, am I?
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Last Edit: Oct 1, 2004 15:04:16 GMT by nickb
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What a load of cr@p! The 'powers that be' can't catch the millions of drivers with no tax, insurance ect. now, so how do they propose to enforce this new law? Once again, only those who bother to register their cars in their own name like good little boys 'n' girls will end up paying............
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Think you've all hit the nail on the head with the replys there . Couldn't agree more. I think Ratdat deserves the Quote of the Week award though..... ''The current government is the most disgraceful, dishonest, money grabbing bunch of bastards this country has ever seen.'' ;D
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Registration taxBenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
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Definitely! BUt then again, I personally don't want to choose between one set of money-grabbing bastards and another.... No other majority (which we are) would stand for this amount of persecution yet the motorist lets them get away with it time and again!
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:'(this all sounds rather worrying. Ive got a 1961 mini stored in my attic (less bodyshell). I'm not paying tax for a car thats not even touching the ground!
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Registration taxBenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
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Ive got a 1961 mini stored in my attic (less bodyshell).
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And it means that my spares car (which I'm already paying the council to keep in one of their bloody lockups miles from my house, and yet the council can't be bothered to stop the junkies trying to smash the door in!) will have to be payed for again, yet I'm already paying the council to keep my spares car off the street in one of their lockups since I don't have a proper garage yet.
I'm getting fed up with that government in general. They tax us to exntinction, while they take away all our public services, (see my second post and NickB's post after it) they enter illegal wars without asking and stay there torturing Iraqi prisoners and allowing British civilians in Iraq to be tortured and beheaded live on TV, the way they treat lorry drivers is bloody appalling (there are a lot of legal loopholes that mean that the government can fine and imprison drivers for things that aren't their fault, such as if refugees break into their trailer while the driver is asleep, which he is legally obliged to do from time to time, or if some corrupt b*st*rd puts contraband goods in his load and won't take responsibility for it) and they make us targets for terrorism and nuclear holocaust, since they insist on taking orders from the US government whenever they have a tiff with Afganistan, Iraq or North Korea, I say it's only a matter of time before we get the brunt of some terrorist's anger.
Why the hell do we put up with these incompetent corrupt *rseholes?
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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We put up with them because we have to! There goes my dream of a Barn full of old cars then.
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We put up with them because we have to! They said that about the Russian Tsar. Look where that got him!
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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The communists put him against a wall and emptied a machine gun into his brain. Which is nice! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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It could of been even easier than that for us until yesterday. All we would have had to do was jump out on Mr.B and make him jump and he would have had a Heart Attack...but he's had his operation now...curse word!
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Don't forget if anything happens to Mr Blair we end up with Mr Prescott in charge
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