sowen
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Yes diesel all the way I've got a dream of getting an Oldsmobile or something type station wagon and dropping a Cummins 6BTA with appropriate mods, probably overkill on the powerplant front but I can dream
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Kev
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Can't wait for this!
I'm sure this is the car Public Enemy rap about in 'you're gonna get yours'?
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stealthstylz
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Motor will be a 2.8TD Iveco and manual box. Aaarghhhh!!!! No, please, no!!! The boot is massive so plenty of room for a tank, stick a V8 back in there and run it on LPG. Reasons why this is a good idea: - Easier to drop the right engine back in it
- It will still perform as it should
- It will probably be cheaper to run (I'll bet you can't get better than 20 mpg out of the Iveco pulling that weight around)
- It will be cheaper to do
- It will be quicker to do
- It will have a top speed greater than 55 mph
- It won't be out accelerated by pedestrians
- It will be more insurable (standard running gear)
- It will be smoother to drive
- Its better for the environment
- It won't cause its value to drop to scrap only
- It will be easier to sell eventually
Even with the 455ci big block it had in there it wasn't a fast car. It weighs the wrong side of 2 tons. Even with LPG it'd struggle to do the equivalent of 20mpg, Kevs truck has the same Iveco motor as we're using and that's doing 40-odd mpg on 99p/l veg oil, and seen as we're driving it to Sweden next year and do a lot of miles anyway a V8 is out of the question. We have got a 350/350 Chevy but that would be absolutely dire in there. Also it can't be cheaper, as then it would have to make a profit buying and fitting a V8. The resale value isn't important as I'd imagine the front will fall off before we get chance to sell it. Even so, a free tax Yank that you can actually use everyday isn't gonna be worth anywhere close to scrap value. Also better for the environment - please explain why this would be any concern? This thing is getting a derv, very little exhaust and driving through the LEZ shooting plumes of soot out at a rate that'll block out the sun.
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stealthstylz
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And yeah Public Enemy rapped about a 98.
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v8's were nice... Once... Now they are antiquated dinosaurs... Loving the diesel idea. Itll keep the old girl on the road alot longer than another 8 would. Its more likely to be able to sell as its a USEABLE old yank.. Ive been put off many an old american car due to MPG issues.. At some point all cars will have to come off the petrol and use something more sustainable.. Even if it is diseaseal for the time being..... All this oil isnt being shipped in from space...
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mk14dr
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It makes me happy just looking at the pictures.
Squonk, the plan will not be changing any time soon. You did read about the roof chop, and the chopped springs? The engine will be one of the things that we could return to standard if we wanted to, but who can afford to run a bigblock (even on gas) anyway?? Also, we need the boot for beer.
Maybe if one of us wins the lottery it might get one of those alcohol fueled supercharged bigblocks with a tickover verging on stalling, but a stock 455? Nah, probably not.
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Last Edit: Apr 6, 2013 14:29:24 GMT by mk14dr
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morrisoxide
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Chop is definitely happening. Whatever I turned up to the Gathering was gonna have a heavy chop. Was just about to purchase a K11 Micra for the job when we got word from Akku that it was available. Well if it's this vs a Micra i guess you're right
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v8's were nice... Once... Now they are antiquated dinosaurs... Loving the diesel idea. Itll keep the old girl on the road alot longer than another 8 would. Its more likely to be able to sell as its a USEABLE old yank.. Ive been put off many an old american car due to MPG issues.. At some point all cars will have to come off the petrol and use something more sustainable.. Even if it is diseaseal for the time being..... All this oil isnt being shipped in from space... I disagree in most parts. V8s are great, there are modern V8s. Look at the current gen LS series - a proper V8 you can make 800, 900 BHP and still have a smooth idle and good round town manners and half decent MPG in a light aero-friendly car. Most diesels are horrible engines. I'd love to chuck a huge one into a Cadillac Coupe DeVille or something for the giggles but I think those huge Duramax things ain't so good on diesel... Especially when boosted to hell... I've seen a few diesel converted yanks over the years and people stuggle to sell them at more than a give-away price so you are in a small minority wanting an oil burner. Theres an early 60s Rambler regularly on eBay with a Merc TDI in it and nobody wants it. Six pot and the "junior" small block yanks struggle to sell for good money. The market likes big powerful ones. The market knows best. This car was going to get fragged, and we were none too careful taking it apart to be fair. What ever happens to it is going to be more creative than it becoming baked bean tins or whatever. The horribleness of the diesel conversion is part of the appeal. Also I don't think conventional ideas of "driving pleasure" apply to this project. I don't think whatever engine went into it would make any difference to its life expectancy. Thats down to the tin worm. The 455 big block out of it is already in my Buick, which weighing in about three quarters of a ton lighter is in a far better shape to make use of it I hope this one is still extant when I get me another of these (I missed the one 1ownercarguy had which was M-I-N-T) because it would be a serious chuckle to do a side-by-side compare and contrast...
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stealthstylz
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Oh yeah i'm not anti-V8 at all, they are the best cylinder layout engines will ever achieve for making power/£. They're just out of my league affordability wise with the mileage I do.
Side by side with a standard one would definitely be a laugh. The gayvan tyres are gigantic, I reckon just by putting different wheels and tyres it'd drop a couple of inches, plus 4-5" out of the suspension if possible and then 8" out of the roof.
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Indeed, I don't want to sound negative at all. Its the ideal car for this kind of project for many reasons.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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'stealtholds.......
sponsored by Akku.........'
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I adore V8s (especially petrol V8s), and have had the pleasure of driving many miles in them over the years. I'm not a diesel person at all, however I understand their merits in certain situations. To be fair, this is largely irrelevant with this project. Again, I saw the state of the car when I nabbed its LPG tank, and anything 'interesting' which can be done to get it cheaply back on the road is a good thing. I personally hope it takes a 'Mad Max' route, and becomes basically a 'pimped' derv powered lorry Can't wait to see how the old thing turns out
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squonk
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Oh yeah i'm not anti-V8 at all, they are the best cylinder layout engines will ever achieve for making power/£. They're just out of my league affordability wise with the mileage I do. Don't get me wrong, I not anti diesel at all. My job is Facility Manager of a large diesel engine test and development facility for a major manufacturer. However, what I can't get my head around is the use of an old truck engine that is a long way from powerful in a car application. Why not use a more modern alternative from something like a BMW that would be far more suitable as a car engine? Presumably the inability to run on veg oil has something to do with it. I have put a number of similar engines into Range Rovers over the years and can honestly say that in every case it ruined the car!! They may have had loads of torque but what they didn't have was the ability to rev. Consequently they always seemed to be being thrashed to death at anything other than 30 mph and gave appalling mpg as a consequence (typically 18 mpg ish on average). Since about 1999 I've been running Range Rovers on LPG and overall have achieved 14 mpg on gas. Bear in mind that the Range Rover also weighs in at about 2 tonnes, has the aerodynamic properties of a house brick and a similar power output to the 455. However, each to his own and if you want to fit the Iveco its obviously up to you. Good luck with it and I'll watch this thread with interest.
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ChasR
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Without completely derailing the thread it's good to see this car being given another lease of life and I can see the appeal of keeping it going (after all, it was about to get scrapped due to the condition of the body). Having a coolish motor to roll in with sensible running costs done cheaply is the main reason . BMW dervs etc. can take take time and cash to put in. I admit that to me, Yank tanks do seem to suit a V8, but even on petrol, at least two of my cars will match the LPG MPG on your Rangie Squonk . Best of luck with the project whatever direction it takes .
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stealthstylz
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Yeah BMW dizzler would be nice, but too much of a ball ache to fit. The Iveco needs one wire to it and the fuel lines and it'll run. We've also got one in stock. The budget (if you can call it that) for the car is miniscule. We were talking about the £5-600 mark between us to get it on the road, hence it'll just have whatever we've got laying around for now. All the welding is to all intents and purposes free, we've got plenty of wheels etc knocking around as we bought some 5x5 to 5x4 3/4 adaptors the other week. The only thing we'll really need other than consumables is some brake rebuild bits and then bits of pipe and wire etc.
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rld14
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I LOVE what you're doing with it.
As far as a Malaise era 455... umm, no. I wouldn't want to run that thing on a daily basis over here, and regular unleaded where I live is the equivalent of 54.6P/L right now.
My new Daily is a V8, and a 5.0L at that and for what it is gets good mileage, but I still feel the running costs in my pocket. As far as my old monster cars with V8s, especially my Lincoln, yeah... 10mpg hurts, even over here. I couldn't imagine what it costs to fuel one of those engines in the UK.
That car was designed for a time and era when fuel cost, in today's money, about 30-35P/L.
This project sounds completely ridiculous. I can't wait to see it finished!!
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88 BMW E28 M5
62 Vauxhall Velox
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60 Lincoln Premiere Coupe
60 Lincoln Continental Mark V Convertible
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squonk
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I admit that to me, Yank tanks do seem to suit a V8, but even on petrol, at least two of my cars will match the LPG MPG on your Rangie Squonk . Yeah, that was my point, in many cases a large V8 does not equate to huge running costs in comparison to something smaller, particularly when using an alternative fuel. I also have a 4.0 litre Jeep which I am putting on LPG. When done it will be cheaper to run as a daily driver than my 1.8 Merc C-Class is on petrol.
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Mark
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This is awesome, love the idea and looking forward to watching the progress!
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YES!!! Love how this project is going.
I need to get my mojo back...
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