ChasR
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Feb 22, 2018 13:05:47 GMT
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I do all my own work on cars apart from this - This is the first time in years a car I own has gone to someone else and it's a situation I have always dreaded. I do feel your pain. This is exactly my position except that I am woefully under-experienced and lack a workshop full of tools to help me. Almost everything I ever do on a vehicle is something I'm tackling the first time therefore, and it causes me huge anxiety. But the alternative is that I take it to a garage and ask them to do it, and invariably it comes back wrong in some way, or with a completely new fault or item of damage that it didn't have before the work started. So I do feel your pain, and you are probably more advanced in what you can do than I am. If they deny putting the putty/filler on there though, and you can't categorically prove that they did then I'm not sure you have much of a dog in this fight. I'm not sure that being certain you would have noticed it whilst changing the downpipe is enough to prove it wasn't actually there. It could argued that you simply hadn't noticed it. TBH I started out like this. My MGB is about one of the first cars I cut my teeth on. These days I do alot of the work myself. I even get some mechanic mates calling me silly for not taking a car to a garage. But I have ended up in the OP's position far too many times and have seen others do the same. The M3 of mine has only left my sight 3 times really: -To have an airbag recall @ BMW -Have the boot floor reinforced @ ETA Motorsport -To get the front end repainted @ a local well known bodyshop Out of all of those the boot floor people were the ones who put the most faith in me and oddly were the cheapest if you take the airbag recall out (it was free). My point? It is annoying when curse word like this happens. The best thing isn't to dwell on it, but to think about where to go next. I still struggle with that one but the less I do the more the hobby becomes enjoyable. |
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Rob M
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Feb 22, 2018 14:04:14 GMT
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Seems to be a lot of people thinking the OP is going overboard in his anger at what has been done to his car. Well if it was ME I'd be pretty damn mad too, and even more so when the garage claims to have told him all about it. Yes I know ranting and raving doesn't always produce results, but don't shoot 60six down for being angry. are you all saying that anyone can do anything to your car and you'll adopt an 'Oh, OK, thats fine' attitude? I think not. Just my twopenneth *runs for cover* Everybody is calm from afar..... Nature of the beast.  |
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Feb 22, 2018 14:10:21 GMT
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comfortablynumbYep, good point and I agree, personally. I hope I didn't come across as condemning 60six for his anger. I agree, he (you) has (have) the right to be very angry about it and I'm sorry if I personally undermined that. I suppose for me personally the point was just that you need to have your facts sorted and you need to approach it right... but I don't question your right to be mightily peeved 60six! Post edited: deleted a big chunk of text. I went off-topic, quite wildly = )
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Last Edit: Feb 22, 2018 14:14:40 GMT by Deleted
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Feb 22, 2018 18:53:56 GMT
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don't shoot 60six down for being angry. nobody is judging 60six on how angry he is allowed to be. i read the thread more than once and didn't understand the actual problem, so asked for more information. still not had that info. ignorance is certainly not a good foundation for legal action, that i know for sure. |
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Feb 22, 2018 19:27:54 GMT
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don't shoot 60six down for being angry. nobody is judging 60six on how angry he is allowed to be. i read the thread more than once and didn't understand the actual problem, so asked for more information. still not had that info. ignorance is certainly not a good foundation for legal action, that i know for sure. I understood the problem just fine, I didn't understand some of the comments, which imho were DEFINITELY judging his anger |
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Rob M
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Feb 22, 2018 19:42:06 GMT
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don't shoot 60six down for being angry. nobody is judging 60six on how angry he is allowed to be. i read the thread more than once and didn't understand the actual problem, so asked for more information. still not had that info. ignorance is certainly not a good foundation for legal action, that i know for sure. Tbf to the OP he was very clear about the circumstances that led him to use the Gearbox 'specialist' insomuch that he had made fruitless attempts to find a box and, as a last resort, he went to this 'specialist' who assured him that they could supply and fit for £800. He also stated that he had fitted a down pipe to the car BEFORE the gearbox committed self destruct and saw no bodging and/or oil leaking. On that basis, he is adamant that the damage to the sump took place when the car went in for the work. It has been noted that the damage could have occourred ( which suggests that this kind of mishap has happened before ) when the housing was pulled in by the bolts, or something like that. The owner of the garage is, at best, a pretty poor businessman, he has had other businesses fold, no doubt owing money everywhere etc. All the evidence suggests that the OP has been turned over by a shark, no doubt he is one of many and, unfortunately, many more will become victims because the law in this country can be flouted by the savvy and the devious. I feel for the fella, he will get not a ha'penny from the proprietor and will now be sweating on just how long this 'new' or 'recon' gearbox is actually going to last. It's happened to most of us, at one time or other, hasn't it. :/ |
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Feb 22, 2018 21:03:40 GMT
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Yep. Happened to me. Only thing you can do is live & learn, and try very hard not to let it sour your entire world view.
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60six
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Feb 24, 2018 17:24:49 GMT
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If he had a registered business with companies house he could hide behind it, or close the company due to one of his last car ventures ended up with CCJ's worth 25k.
He doesnt. He is some bloke that bought a few domains saying he can fix gearboxes. Bought a load of phone numbers, and probably does alright out of it before the stuff hits the fan. Found his lovely home address so I am using Small Claims.
He can't get out of this one.
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60six
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Feb 24, 2018 17:48:18 GMT
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Now I need someone to do the sump AND work out why the gearbox isn't flush with the bell housing. Just need someone in Medway who knows 9000's Recently the man I trusted and who has helped me for over 20 years died suddenly - still can't believe it. Here one day, gone the next.  |
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Feb 24, 2018 17:59:59 GMT
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got to be binding on the dowels or something is caught, I do remember the NG 9-3 turbo convertible being fairly tightly packed around the box but I've only done the one NG clutch so not sure what it could be.
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Feb 24, 2018 19:21:23 GMT
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Really supports the argument that it has been lined up and then attempted to close the box on the engine by winding it home, with the mounting bolts, hence the broken mount if something is binding.
Points to a bit of a rush job?
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60six
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Feb 24, 2018 22:19:54 GMT
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Really supports the argument that it has been lined up and then attempted to close the box on the engine by winding it home, with the mounting bolts, hence the broken mount if something is binding. Points to a bit of a rush job? They had the car for a month - There is a mounting bolt missing - Left pic is the gearbox replaced car and right is my was to be donor car that came along too late and was far too good to break. |
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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If he had a registered business with companies house he could hide behind it, or close the company due to one of his last car ventures ended up with CCJ's worth 25k. He doesnt. He is some bloke that bought a few domains saying he can fix gearboxes. Bought a load of phone numbers, and probably does alright out of it before the stuff hits the fan. Found his lovely home address so I am using Small Claims. He can't get out of this one. Go get him! |
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Now I need someone to do the sump AND work out why the gearbox isn't flush with the bell housing. Just need someone in Medway who knows 9000's Recently the man I trusted and who has helped me for over 20 years died suddenly - still can't believe it. Here one day, gone the next. I'd just reiterate my advice, you've got no redress through any court unless you afford the business the opportunity to put it right. You need this in black and white. |
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60six
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Re-read the thread. The business ISNT a business. No registered company details anywhere - Just a bloke with a lot of websites and one phone number and a wife being customer services who in december applied for an IVA which is how I got all this info. Already requested they put it right and apparently damage already there - It wasn't.
If I am missing something by being forced to go through small claims - Let me know why any court won't help before I waste even more money.
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Last Edit: Feb 25, 2018 0:29:11 GMT by 60six
Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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Feb 25, 2018 15:14:25 GMT
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Really supports the argument that it has been lined up and then attempted to close the box on the engine by winding it home, with the mounting bolts, hence the broken mount if something is binding. Points to a bit of a rush job? They had the car for a month - There is a mounting bolt missing - Left pic is the gearbox replaced car and right is my was to be donor car that came along too late and was far too good to break. Had it for a month. Did the job in 2 hours. Checked the mileage? |
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Feb 25, 2018 15:41:18 GMT
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Re-read the thread. The business ISNT a business. No registered company details anywhere - Just a bloke with a lot of websites and one phone number and a wife being customer services who in december applied for an IVA which is how I got all this info. Already requested they put it right and apparently damage already there - It wasn't. If I am missing something by being forced to go through small claims - Let me know why any court won't help before I waste even more money. IVA application is very bad news and if that's the case you could be throwing good money after bad. IVA apart, you would need to prove (I believe) that their actions have resulted in expense to you. Part of the 'customary' way of doing this (I believe) is to afford them the opportunity of making redress, in this case setting right the damage you allege they have caused, (I believe you). You can't go to court without a paper-trail, or you could but you'd be wasting your time and money. If they are successful in securing an IVA you are absolutely wasting your time. Another approach perhaps ... I used to live close to a furniture megastore owned by a multi-millionaire entrepreneur. I would surmise that this store sold a sub-standard item of furniture to someone and subsequently refused their requests to make redress. The evidence for this was a Volvo estate parked on a public road in front of the furniture store with a leather chesterfield sofa on the roofrack and A2 posters in the windows listing all the faults with the sofa. It was only there a few hours and I don't think that the Police moved it! |
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Feb 25, 2018 15:55:11 GMT
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Last Edit: Feb 25, 2018 22:33:17 GMT by MkX
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Feb 26, 2018 21:52:19 GMT
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Wow their sevenoaks base is 2 minutes from me.
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