Goodwood Weekender 2018 - Track Activity Thread

[slater]

Tbh it doesnt matter what Goodwood 'usually' does, we arnt the usual Goodwood punters. Only real limitation is what the insurance company/circuit H+S team will let us do.

That said personally i couldn't really fault it. Its only ever going to be a bit of fun without timing (and thats never going to happen at RR!) Chicane didn't make much difference other than being little confusing on quite how fast you could take it for the first few laps. Once i worked out i could actually park within walking distance of the car i was quite happy all the way to the end. Even getting a tow lol.

[toby5]

May 20, 2018 14:45:41 GMT robmsport said:

All MSA sprint meetings are run that way , them's the rules guys . Straight out on cold tyres as fast as you possibly can without coming off , then back in to wait for your next run . Each run is a single lap . At Goodwood you get a practice which doesn't count for any championship points and that is a standing start lap followed by a flying lap , then back into your paddock spot . There's no time to build up to your max , like circuit racing , you get used to the discipline of sitting in the car , driving the circuit in your head , while you are waiting in line . Totally different skill to circuit but very much cheaper to be involved in .

What I mean is we were being held immediately after comming off circuit while everyone finished the run, then being allowed to entertain the paddock again. On a sprint you can drive straight back into the paddock so at least air is going through the brakes, wasn’t sure what the point of it was.

[robmsport]

To keep the group together , so when entering the collection area , Ian could direct the complete group where he wanted them , plus discuss whether anyone was caught , then to reorganise that group

[bstardchild]

May 20, 2018 16:24:27 GMT toby5 said:

May 20, 2018 14:45:41 GMT robmsport said:

Snip

What I mean is we were being held immediately after comming off circuit while everyone finished the run, then being allowed to entertain the paddock again. On a sprint you can drive straight back into the paddock so at least air is going through the brakes, wasn’t sure what the point of it was.

Hi Toby - it’s a good question but several reasons drove that decision

1. You guys didn’t have paddock bays to go to
2. We were space limited in the paddock hold area we could only go to 5 lines of five cars, (25 cars) and when we tried to make a row of 10 cars we could only do it in rows closest to the grass. Anywhere else and we blocked the fire lane
4. We’d banked on always having 2 groups out (1 group on track & one waiting in the pit lane - so we were always a group short of space
5. When the Judd or the drifter went out we couldn’t have two groups in the pit lane so we had a lot of issues.

If we do this again we have a number of changes we want to make to improve it

I’ll deal with all of that in the usual post mortum thread

We had planned to change the paddock staging format to make it better in the afternoon but having discussed it gewy who was running it decided that last time we changed something half way thro an event it caused carnage as the afternoon people expected it to run the same as morning.

It was a 6 or maybe 7 out of 10 event - We aim for a 9 at very minimum

[marky2202]

From a marshal's point of view (I was one of the guys counting up to two and then waving the yellow flags to remind you to slow down) I have to say that it seemed to go very well indeed. Good organisation in the paddocks meant that the groups of cars were always ready to go. Well behaved drivers meant that we had no major incidents to slow the proceedings, and those of you that suffered breakdowns did exactly the right thing. So sorry that a few cars will be needing substantial engine rebuilds! Lots of happy faces in the parc-ferme area and yes, some rather hot smelling cars, but personally I can't see much difference between switching off there for a while, or running straight back to a parking space to switch off there?
Don't think more than two laps is practical whilst the no-overtaking rule is in force, unless we want the lead car catching the last car... and that makes the chequered flag / returning to pits rather tricky and an even longer wait in parc-ferme for the last car to return!
Apologies for entering the Judd as I know it caused some headaches, but many thanks to Ian and the team for working out a way to get it to run - I know Terry and Graham enjoyed driving it and many of the spectators enjoyed seeing it.
Regarding the little extra chicane (didn't see it myself, but I guess it was on the Lavant straight?) - it probably saved one or two from getting carried away and entering Woodcote way too quick, but you should see what Bognor Regis and Southsea Motor Clubs do to the track for the SouthDowns Stages rally each February! We put up chicanes and obstacles all around the track and run-off areas, then send the drivers round clockwise, and then anti-clockwise... into the night. Entries welcome (o:

[toby5]

May 20, 2018 19:41:01 GMT bstardchild said:

It was a 6 or maybe 7 out of 10 event - We aim for a 9 at very minimum

Fair cop mate - obviously it was well thought about.

Your doing yourself a disjustice with 6-7/10 it was bloody well done particularly for a new venue with so many other things going on at the same time.

[bstardchild]

May 20, 2018 20:50:27 GMT toby5 said:

May 20, 2018 19:41:01 GMT bstardchild said:

It was a 6 or maybe 7 out of 10 event - We aim for a 9 at very minimum

Fair cop mate - obviously it was well thought about.

Your doing yourself a disjustice with 6-7/10 it was bloody well done particularly for a new venue with so many other things going on at the same time.

Hi Toby

Thanks but 6-7 is where it is - new venue lots to learn to get it slick - it wasn’t slick enough for me

[Morris63]

May 19, 2018 19:38:12 GMT Mark said:

So much fun.

Unfortunately my engine spun a shell (I'm guessing but that's what it sounded like) so I'm off home on an RAC transporter. This is becoming a habit. Unfortunately I will miss tomorrow as a result.

Just wanted to say thanks to all concerned and despite my engine woes, it was a great day. Met some really nice people in the paddock and chatted about my favourite subject. Anyway, hope you all have a terrific day tomorrow.

Mark

No!! Gutted for you fella. Yours was 1 of the cars I so wanted to see today too. Hope the damage isn't too bad.

[Mark]

Thanks.

I am extremely grateful to all of you that have sent messages of support and offers of help. I was really touched by the kindness. Even on Friday evening, when parked at the roadside in Chichester looking for my BnB, one of you was kind enough to stop, check I was OK and offered to help me find the place. The diversity of cars, of people and fantastic atmosphere is what keeps me coming back to RR. I don't mean to sound all sentimental but even when my step son Jim (106e30) passed a couple of years back, people here were incredibly kind.

Anyway, fingers crossed things might - I say MIGHT - not be as bad as first thought. I'll no more later. Thanks again though people. Mark

[slipngripross]

May 20, 2018 14:45:41 GMT robmsport said:

All MSA sprint meetings are run that way , them's the rules guys . Straight out on cold tyres as fast as you possibly can without coming off , then back in to wait for your next run . Each run is a single lap . At Goodwood you get a practice which doesn't count for any championship points and that is a standing start lap followed by a flying lap , then back into your paddock spot . There's no time to build up to your max , like circuit racing , you get used to the discipline of sitting in the car , driving the circuit in your head , while you are waiting in line . Totally different skill to circuit but very much cheaper to be involved in .

I think the point being as this isn't timed we may aswell have a cool down lap to stop potentially ruining cars that's all

[slater]

The way i see it you either run it as a sprint (how it was), There's no cool down laps at any sprint or hill climb events.. Or you run it as track day sessions with everyone getting one or two 10-15min sessions. This worked really well at the old 'retro kings' event (from my perspective) but I'm not sure how hard it would be for RR logistically or how people would feel about overtaking etc.. Having an extra lap to 'cool down' seems totally pointless to me. Either people won't use it to cool down or it's just another lap trundling round wasting everyones time. You had one lap to cool down as it was but doubt anyone used it to cool down.

[bstardchild]

May 21, 2018 6:48:04 GMT slater said:

The way i see it you either run it as a sprint (how it was), There's no cool down laps at any sprint or hill climb events.. Or you run it as track day sessions with everyone getting one or two 10-15min sessions. This worked really well at the old 'retro kings' event (from my perspective) but I'm not sure how hard it would be for RR logistically or how people would feel about overtaking etc.. Having an extra lap to 'cool down' seems totally pointless to me. Either people won't use it to cool down or it's just another lap trundling round wasting everyones time. You had one lap to cool down as it was but doubt anyone used it to cool down.

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WHS

RR doesn't do track days

[rob0r]

I thought the track time was epic and I appreciate being given the chance to drive the Goodwood circuit. Operationally I thought it was exceptionally smooth especially given there was only two of you in the paddock.

I've done a number of RR track events/sessions over the year and this was the best one yet. I think the 3 x 2 format work perfectly well, and in the bargey 7 series even the sighting lap felt like a top speed run so for me it felt like 4 x 2!

I'm hoping that this even happens again, that I get another chance to go on track and my E30 track car is actually operational for once!

[bstardchild]

May 20, 2018 20:26:04 GMT marky2202 said:

From a marshal's point of view (I was one of the guys counting up to two and then waving the yellow flags to remind you to slow down) I have to say that it seemed to go very well indeed. Good organisation in the paddocks meant that the groups of cars were always ready to go. Well behaved drivers meant that we had no major incidents to slow the proceedings, and those of you that suffered breakdowns did exactly the right thing. So sorry that a few cars will be needing substantial engine rebuilds! Lots of happy faces in the parc-ferme area and yes, some rather hot smelling cars, but personally I can't see much difference between switching off there for a while, or running straight back to a parking space to switch off there?
Don't think more than two laps is practical whilst the no-overtaking rule is in force, unless we want the lead car catching the last car... and that makes the chequered flag / returning to pits rather tricky and an even longer wait in parc-ferme for the last car to return!
Apologies for entering the Judd as I know it caused some headaches, but many thanks to Ian and the team for working out a way to get it to run - I know Terry and Graham enjoyed driving it and many of the spectators enjoyed seeing it.
Regarding the little extra chicane (didn't see it myself, but I guess it was on the Lavant straight?) - it probably saved one or two from getting carried away and entering Woodcote way too quick, but you should see what Bognor Regis and Southsea Motor Clubs do to the track for the SouthDowns Stages rally each February! We put up chicanes and obstacles all around the track and run-off areas, then send the drivers round clockwise, and then anti-clockwise... into the night. Entries welcome (o:

Thanks for the feedback and perspective from the other side of the fence

[sweeps]

The event for me was superb, having not being to Goodwood before i felt you organised the event very well indeed.

The track time system worked very well in my opinion, everyone in the group i was in worked together to get the best order.

The only negative, which was very small, the delay in getting the morning cars back in to the paddock area.

Other than that, i couldn't fault the weekend. Great cars, great people and the venue fitted the event perfectly.

[Mark]

I thought the groups worked really well and it was great seeing so much diversity of cars. Even catching the slower cars in my group on the first run wasn't really a big deal. I just backed off and let the gap increase again. On the next run we simply shuffled ourselves around.

The marshals were also excellent, as was the whole event. Roll on Shelsey!

[fulvia1436]

May 22, 2018 8:59:57 GMT Mark said:

I thought the groups worked really well and it was great seeing so much diversity of cars. Even catching the slower cars in my group on the first run wasn't really a big deal. I just backed off and let the gap increase again. On the next run we simply shuffled ourselves around.

The marshals were also excellent, as was the whole event. Roll on Shelsey!

I was lucky to be in a group that I couldn't catch, any more than they could catch me. Perfect! No reshuffling required.
It was a really good, successful, sunny day!
Well done, the RR and marshalling teams!

[1330sc]

A very good day in my opinion, everyone super friendly and helpful when required. Extremely well done for a first event.

Only suggestions would be ironing out the change over between morning and afternoon sessions. Seemed like we were waiting a little while out the back while the afternoon session got ready. My only immediate suggestion for this would be to swing the morning cars off the left of the track once finished (where the food stands were) to free the paddock up to get the afternoon session ready, but this might not work for other reasons.

The groups worked well together in swapping around to suit abilities, I liked that.

All in all though, really well played guys!

[bstardchild]

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