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Oct 21, 2007 13:19:13 GMT
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I thought that being the registered keeper on the V5 was entirely different to being the legal owner of the vehicle? i.e.: Just because someone's name appears on the logbook doesn't mean that they own the car. I think you'd have a strong case for getting the car back, but I can understand you not wanting the hassle. Oh, and I agree about filing an official complaint to the Police. "Innocent until proven guilty" is becoming all but a distant memory in this country and if we don't fight for it now, it'll be lost forever. There were murmurs about getting rid of all innocent people's DNA off the Police database, but as far as I know there is no obligation for them to give it up. It's another of Brown's Police state building blocks. Sorry, I'm veering way OT
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Oct 21, 2007 13:49:29 GMT
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I thought that being the registered keeper on the V5 was entirely different to being the legal owner of the vehicle? I.e.: Just because someone's name appears on the logbook doesn't mean that they own the car. I think you'd have a strong case for getting the car back, but I can understand you not wanting the hassle.I thought that too, if he had abandoned the car on the old man's property many years ago then it should have been the property of the landowner to sell on. Unfortunatly, he has persuaded the old guy to lie to the police about how long it had been there, possibly with threats of legal action if he didn't get the car. (the guy's 90 odd and losing his marbles a bit, thats why he's off to the old folks home. Not the best witness in the world!) Oh, and I agree about filing an official complaint to the Police. "Innocent until proven guilty" is becoming all but a distant memory in this country and if we don't fight for it now, it'll be lost forever.Agreed. I was already concerned about this before they pounced on me! Our locasl force seem to think they are judge dredd and robocop rolled into one, they recently shot a guy's escaped dog, in front of the owner and against the advice of the dog warden. Dog hadn't hurt anyone, it just didn't want to go home yet.. There were murmurs about getting rid of all innocent people's DNA off the Police database, but as far as I know there is no obligation for them to give it up. It's another of Brown's Police state building blocks. England Prevails! I'm off to buy a Guy Fawkes mask, its nearly Nov 5th..... Sorry, I'm veering way OT No need to apologise. stuff like this cant be OT
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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bazzateer
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A few coppers behave like pricks and they all get tarred with the same brush. Fair enough? Maybe, maybe not. Then people complain when the coppers treat most retro/custom etc car drivers as potential speeders/dangerous drivers etc based on the fact that a few of those they deal with are exactly like that. Fair enough? Hmmm...... apparently not I'm not excusing the behaviour of any individual coppers but if a complaint is made, and the available evidence suggests it can be substantiated (V5 etc) they have to act. We all know that workshops have been, are being, and will continue to be used for ringing stolen motors etc so it's hardly a surprise that they went 'mob-handed' as until they get there they don't know what or who they're dealing with. However, once satisfied it's just the one car and the 'suspect' is under control there's no need for 4 to remain on the scene. As for DNA and 'prints, I agree they should be destroyed but, at the end of the day, if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.........apparently.........
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Actually, the two officers from gateshead (who arrested me, and had come in a panda car) were rather surprised that derwentside sent four officers in two area cars when their only duty was to call a recovery truck. I have no record, am not flagged as violent or troublesome, they were not expecting bother. I am rather disappointed about the nature of the investigation, and the fact that the man who made the complaint was simply given the car without any question, it is debatable at least as to whether or not he is the owner.
I have written to the police, I'm still waiting for a reply about my dna, and for the name and address of the "gentleman" who now has the car so I can sue him for theft by conversion. They havn't come back for the seats, either. I still have them.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Retain the seats pending settlement of your civil case. Make sure you have the details of the officers who gave him the car and, if applicable, their supervisor who authorised it. Name them all individually as well as the force itself (Ch Const) in any legal action. You should also be able to get a copy of their paperwork relating to the matter. If you can show they have not done their job properly you may find you'll get all your expenses back plus some! It'll be a slog, but could be worth it.
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Glad you're not giving up on this. It winds me up when law-abiding people are treated this way.
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what he said. i'd forgotten how annoyed this episode had made me of course they wont reply to the letter. make an appointment with the station superintndent, and then the regional super, and keep going
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As for DNA and 'prints, I agree they should be destroyed but, at the end of the day, if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.........apparently......... Yeah right......
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Kind of related. I ahd a speeding ticket come through but was at a show at the time, Went to brum head police station to view the picture of said offence.
Politely asked officer if a silver 206 looked anything like a blue rover 400, they got the numbers muddled on the plate when readin it although clear.
Has just finished working security and have a shaved head and big goatee, get in lift to leave assured that no action will be taken against me, cheif super asks in lift of the pc i am with why i am not in cuffs.
Talk about book and cover police judged that one from looks, felt like giving him the reason to.
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Talk about book and cover police judged that one from looks, felt like giving him the reason to. Like I said, a handful of pricks make life difficult for the others. Makes no difference if it's a few curse word coppers or a few nobbers doing donuts outside the Ace or whatever, everyone gets the same rep'. Most Classic/Retro/Custom etc car enthusiasts are decent law abiding people. Likewise most coppers are decent people, and most Muslims aren't extremists etc etc etc...............
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A sad, silly and scary tale.
Why were the police not interested in the plates on this car, and why did they not do a check on the transfer of that number to verify when it took place. Also if the car had been stored for so long, there would be no MOT for a number of years, and that could be checked.
Sad that they take his word against yours, even though you have witnesses
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It all takes time and money, why do I never have them both at the same time?
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And who actually sold the car on ebay in the first place, the old duffer with no brain cell?
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1960 Ford Thames 402e resto 1965 Ford Thames 400e van 5.7 ltr 1965 Ford 100e 2.1 Pinto power
It all takes time and money, why do I never have them both at the same time?
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Horrible story, what a lousy experience that must have been Hope the fool who effectively stole the Z from you gets some sort of payback in one form or another.
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Thats North East Police for you. I've had many a bad experience with them.
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I used to make excuses for the police whenever stuff like this happened, bad apples e.t.c but I'm starting to think ALL the police are bad apples. It happens far to often and it seems the police have no interest in doing someone whos guilty, or getting the the bottom of a situation, just doing anybody. Who cares whos guilty!
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Last Edit: Jan 6, 2008 18:44:46 GMT by Lankytim
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Of course in such situations, one can't not suggest that you don't not take no can of petrol and no box of matches and not go to not burn the twunts house not down.
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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In a similar episode, I sold a car to a 'mate' and let him pay me monthly to help him out. He paid £100 the first month and then nothing. 12 months later when the MOT ran out, I get home to find the car on my drive and a note through my door asking me to re MOT it! I thought 'the cheeky b*stard' and kept the car. Shortly after, I moved to the south west and then got arrested for stealing the car! I did explain the full situation to the police but they wasn't interested, court or caution so my solicitor advised me to accept the caution so I did. Next thing was they took my prints and DNA! Couldn't believe it! He gave me £100 out of £1000 and that makes it his car? Beggars belief.
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I'd certainly be keepin an eye out on the bay for it and perhaps warn the winning bidder that ownership of the car is in question and should he buy it and you will be coming back for it when it's proved that it's your car. If nothing else it will make him think long and hard about buying it. Another random thought for you here: Whatever you do if you spot another clapped out car at this nugget's address 9and you know for sure it is his) then you really musn't call the next traveller scrapman you see and ask him to take it away and you don't want any money for it. That would be wrong.
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to add to some of the comments made in this thread, a few facts about how the backwards laws in this country work-
having your name on the v5c for a vehicle means exactly jack sh1t. it is no proof whatsoever you own or even have an interest in said vehicle. any person can apply for any v5 for any vehicle at any time, and its down to the current person on the v5 to contest that application within a given time(you are informed by mail to ask if you still own said vehicle or not) or a new v5 in the new applicants name is automatically issued- remember that if you have a prospective buyer looking over a car and wanting to write down the chassis no, engine no and number plate to 'check the cars details'.............
also, if you form a contract with someone by agreeing to sell them an item, or buy something from them, be it vebally or in writing, the item istantly becomes the property of the buyer, even if they have not paid a penny for it. that contract can be upheld in a court of law, even if a deposit hasnt been paid. in practice, this is pretty much impossible to prove with verbal contracts unless you record the conversation. remember it if your buying and selling online and corresponding by email though.....
for example, if someone agrees to buy a car from you, and pays a deposit, then doesn't come up with the rest of the cash in the agreed time period, you're legally entitled to keep the deposit, or a reasonable proportion of it, to cover your expenses- storage, advertising costs, correspondence, making a loss on the agreed price when selling the car again, solicitors fees, etc.
conversely, if you agree to buy a car from someone then they then sell it to someone else without giving you reasonable opportunity to pay for and collect it, they can be prosecuted for theft and/or obtaining money by deception.
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