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Anyone remember this fine publication? It was a humourous A5 magazine that dealt specifically with old bangers. I think the last issue stopped some 10 years ago, which was a crying shame. The quality of the articles was far superior than the paper it was printed on, but definately worth its £2.00 price.
More to the point does anyone have any copies they could sell me?
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Great mag...I've got one laying around somewhere! The buyer's guide was funny and useful!
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Amazing to think you used to be able to buy stuff like that in WH Smiths.
Fantastic magazine. I never quite completed the set but I've got most of them. And no, they're not for sale!
They had a relaunch as a thin A4 publication but I think it only lasted two issues and then vanished. Shame. Some of the team (well, Rod Ker at least) ended up on "Classics" magazine in the early days.
The best magazines never seem to last. It's a nasty world out there. Now, does anyone remember "Real Classics" ?
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Hey datsuncherry
Did I meet you at he French Car Show?
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I think we did meet. I was with the 106 Rallye people, prostituting my happy shopper around the track.
I should have known really, not many 104 XS around is there?
I saw Stewart (?) with the lovely Peugeot 504 the following weekend at the Cars in the park do in Lichfield. Asides from a really nice selection of Peugeots that day there was a neat if a bit battered '67 Toyota Corona.
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Yes I was at the FCS with Stuart in his (also blue) ZS. Two ZS's together, most unusual! I didn't do the track as my suspension is still french soft so it would have been no fun. Did have a few 0-60 runs where I frightened a Saxo 16V (but lost in the end) and was wiped by a BX GTi 16v.
I was also on the peugeot stand at Lichfield, Stuart took his 504 and cleaned up in several club cups!
Next outing to the rally supercar day at Castle Coombe, only visiting, not playing.
I believe there are only 2 or 3 ZS's left in the UK, a few more poverty spec ZL's and ZR's. It might look a bit shabby but it could be one of the rarest cars in the forum!
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Was a nice day too, its a bit different to the usual max power type days, as the cars tend to have a bit of go in them. As opposed to rear drum braked saxo's 1100cc driven by little chavs thats normal spoil the atmosphere with their presences....
Yes! To see two ZS's together was something else, a real treat for those who appriciate FWD pocket rockets. I am probabily right in thinking that it is very much the predessor of my car, with the blood line running from the Simca 1000 Rallye. The secret is in the weight of the car and the torque. Mix that up with precise handling and cute loks and you have that magical connection!
I had a Citroen AX GT prior to my first S1 Rallye, and my god it was a lot of fun. Shame it was made from biscuit tin metal.
And small french pocket rockets always look best in blue!
I went to the Litchfield show on Saturday only, I can't remember what I was up to on the Sunday...oh yes! - maybe it was the retro car show at Santa pod, where I met many of the infamous crew!
You might well be right. I know that the DVLA claim that there are 4 Datsun E10 120A coupes, and 6 E10 100A estates taxed and running on the roads but this was back in 2001.
I wish I had a radar that detected rare cars left in barns and lock-ups!
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Yes the ZS is the direct ancestor of the 106 Rallye via the 205 (a bit). I remember going to the motorshow many years ago when the 106 was launched and thinking "its the new ZS!!" It's that complete lack of rear overhang. The damn thing pivots on its rear wheels if you turn slowly enough!
I really love the car, it's so unknown here! It handles well enough, though a lowering is on the cards, brakes are a bit weak, though maybe that's because it currently has a full works group B cylinderhead and twin 40's and lays just over 100bhp onto the road, which is about the same as a 106 rallye I think, but with tiny discs and rear drums.
The car is so upgradeable with tons of parts available in france where they were the French Mini Cooper on the rally scene. One day when my ship comes in... and it's not a Nova so bonus
Just as it is it constantly surprises all our local chavs, but the element of surprise is wearing off!
How do peopple check these things with the DVLA. I would love to know how may they ave listed, at the moment I am building up a data base of Samba Rallyes as they have the parts and no-one will miss them!!
I was only in Lichfield o the Sunday so we missed there, maybe it could be accepted into the 106 rallye register as an ancient ancestor. It would give it some fun friends to play with!
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Amazing to think you used to be able to buy stuff like that in WH Smiths. Fantastic magazine. I never quite completed the set but I've got most of them. And no, they're not for sale! They had a relaunch as a thin A4 publication but I think it only lasted two issues and then vanished. Shame. Some of the team (well, Rod Ker at least) ended up on "Classics" magazine in the early days. The best magazines never seem to last. It's a nasty world out there. Now, does anyone remember "Real Classics" ? Yeah, I've got most of those (8/10?), including the first one, with the free badge still stuck on the front...... |
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down  and that's not really the car's fault. |
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I quite like those Samba Rallyes too. Three stud wheels wheren't they? I got a set for my ex's 3 stud 106. Looked good with the 1" rims.
I think you have to contact the SMMT (Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders) They publish the results once a year but for some reason they tend to be a year or 2 behind. I got my 'body count' from the datsun owners club mag. It makes fascinating reading, as the numbers sadly decrease every year, for virtually every model.
If anyone is interested in any particular Datsun numbers left, let me know!
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Why can't I find anything really rare!?  The closest I have is that my 75 Imp is one of the last Imps ever made, being made in the last months of production, although most of it's history buggered off during it's rallying days in the 70s. That and the same car was reputedly at one time the fastest Imp in Scotland, if the tales are to be believed (I'm a little sceptical to be honest, but it'd be cool if it was true!) and at one time it was owned by a Russian racer by the name of Ivan Bobrinski,(did I spell that wrong, I'm not sure!?) although I've not managed to track him down and ask him about it, besides that I can't track down any more of it's history. (or a bloody V5 for it either! Bloody DVLA!) Shame the shell's almost beyond repair, but at least I'm reshelling it with my other Imp, a '74 by the name of GGE 524N, so it'll live on. This is an old picture of the '75 Racer during it's ill fated bodywork repairs, note the prototype radiator grilles I made up for it on the front, without the wire mesh in them. (The finished ones fitted properly! ;D)  |
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Here's the two ZS's at the FCS. Mine to the front.  I didn't think the samba rallye 3 stud wheels fitted the 106, diirent pcd etc. Here's a pic of my old samba rallye, had to go to make room for the ZS. Contrary to popular beleif the Samba and Zs are not identical, the ZS if about 8 inches shorter!   Had a look on the SMMT site, a report detailing all the remaining numbers of a particular car only costs £2500. Bargain! |
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You right, they were AX forte wheels!
I still haven't got round to processing my photo's from the day.....
So would I be right in thinking that the Samba has more in common with the Sunbeam, than the pug? This Rootes business seems very incestuous.....
I wonder if Peugeot has shelved all those glorious names away for ever. It would a neat marketing trick for the forthcoming 1007/107 ranges to have an 'imp' or 'vogue' model levels.
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Actually, mechanically the ZS and Samba are identical, everything is interchangable except the body panels (tailgate excepted). The Samba doors are longer. I discovered this when I was planning to fit the roll cage from the Samba into the ZS and was told it didn't fit!
It would be good to see all the old names back, anything is better than calling a car a Peugeot "one oh-oh-seven" who in gods name thought THAT one up! There are some cool rootees names in the PTS cupboard, a Peugeot Rapier anyone?
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I wonder if Peugeot has shelved all those glorious names away for ever. It would a neat marketing trick for the forthcoming 1007/107 ranges to have an 'imp' or 'vogue' model levels. No, it'd be great if the names were resurrected on cars that were like the original in some way, but not if the new Imp was some front wheel drive diesel five door Pug hatch that was just the same as all the other 107s but with a nice Imp badge on the bootlid. The new Imp would have to be rear engined and with a willing little engine, the new Vogue would have to be big, torque, rear wheel drive, and not some 407 with a wood veneer dash and a fake chrome strip down each side. Otherwise the people who remembered the originals and loved them wouldn't have any desire to buy a dull modern hatch with the same badge as their old cars, and the people who bought the new one wouldn't give a toss about the little Hillman or Humber badge on the front wing, as they just want a modern hatchback. Put it this way, do you think that the rich daddies girls who run about in new Beetles because they're cute give a damn that the original Beetle makes a great drag racer, or the yuppies who buy new Cooper S care that the original Cooper S came with disc brakes and the bigger 1275cc engine and were great rally cars? |
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I share your feelings regarding the tossers out there have no concept of heritage in their motors. A lot of Nissan owners are amongsts the worse. To me, despite the merits of the new Mini, I have always felt its a 'new media' type of car. I think I would be deeply embarassed by being seen in a cabriolet version. And besides I don't really buy hair gel or listen to busted......
In these days of multi-marketing and nostalgia I thought it would be an idea to help shift some more cars to British punters by adding a badge that might mean something, after all the Rapier/Minx on the Alpine/Solara or before then the Vanden Plas on a Montego etc ranges just signify a higher level of equipment. A GTI badge on brand new Volkswagen, capatilised on a glorious past despite the fact that they were not much faster than a normal model.
I recall Rover doing something equally as cynical with the 200 BRM, I don't have a problem about adding a sports badge to a car, but for god sakes the orginal car isn't that much of a drivers car is it? Where as the current range of MG ZS/ZT etc have been tuned to astonishing effect.
You never know what the car manufacturers might come up with next, if they're brave enough a rear engined coupe might not be cost effective but they'll have my respect! (I really feel that the forthcoming GM Tigra should havebeen mid-engined)
They're getting braver though, despite how you feel about Ford or GM, some of those current cars (Focus, new Astra, god...even the Ka) are a hoot to drive....the only way is up!
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I don't doubt that new cars are quite nice to drive, but have you ever noticed that in a modern car there's no way to have fun driving it unless you happen to be kicking it's teeth in on the track or on a deserted backroad (we still get those around here!  ) where a classic can be entertaining just cruising around in it, whether you're doing 30 or 70. (although the backroad thing's great fun too! ;D) I mean, modern cars encourage you to drive too fast, cause they're set up to be soft and bland unti you do. You had the right idea about the mid engined coupe. You know how Puegeot and Renault owned by the same firm, well Peugeot could give the sporty Imp names to the replacement for the mid engined Clio V6 thing, which isn't really that much of a Clio anyway. That way, the next one could be a retro styled coupe with the engine behind the driver, maybe call it the Hillman Californian or Sunbeam Stilleto. I know what you mean about numpties not knowing a thing about their car's heritage. I was approached by one of these rich daddies boys the other day, who had heard I knew loads about motors, and asked whether he should get daddy to buy him a Golf GTi or a Pug 206 GTi 180. I said I wasn't in the know about the newer models, but that the mk1 Golf GTi was a great car, as were the sporty Pug 205s and 106s. Which is when I noticed that he hadn't heard of any sporty car more than about 8 years old, but knew he wanted a GTi, even though he didn't know thing about anything other than the spongy new ones, and knew nothing about the original GTis. Then there;s his girlfriend who insists on talking about me collecting 'cute little Minis and Russian cars'. (I own two Imps, which are neither Minis or Russian! FOR F*CK SAKE THEY BOTH HAVE BADGES THAT SAY HILLMAN ON THEM!  ) And yes they wear hair gel and listen to Busted! ;D ;D ;D |
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Aug 10, 2004 10:09:49 GMT
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They should be forced to listen the The holy bible by the manics, just to scare the hell out of them, and then slowly tortured to death ;D
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They should be forced to listen the The holy bible by the manics, just to scare the hell out of them, and then slowly tortured to death ;D And Radiohead, and The Cure. Then you wouldn't even need to torture them, they'd just die of fright! ;D Although it's nice to see another Manics fan. |
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And an old school manics fan at that  We could also make them listen to Oasis. They could die of apathy and mediocrity then ;D |
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and that's not really the car's fault.
The closest I have is that my 75 Imp is one of the last Imps ever made, being made in the last months of production, although most of it's history buggered off during it's rallying days in the 70s. That and the same car was reputedly at one time the fastest Imp in Scotland, if the tales are to be believed (I'm a little sceptical to be honest, but it'd be cool if it was true!) and at one time it was owned by a Russian racer by the name of Ivan Bobrinski,(did I spell that wrong, I'm not sure!?) although I've not managed to track him down and ask him about it, besides that I can't track down any more of it's history. (or a bloody V5 for it either! 
) where a classic can be entertaining just cruising around in it, whether you're doing 30 or 70. (although the backroad thing's great fun too! ;D) I mean, modern cars encourage you to drive too fast, cause they're set up to be soft and bland unti you do.
) And yes they wear hair gel and listen to Busted! ;D ;D ;D
