thebaron
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Over the river, heading out of town
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That's looks to be in really good condition for that price.
Hard to give you more kudos than I already had .... but here it is.............KUDOS+.
Fingers crossed that registration issue doesn't become a ballache
They are really low - The Ghiblis doubly so as they have a ridiculous Diff Cooler that hangs in a chicken wire cage waiting to be extracted by the environment.
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That's a lovely find and in great nick for an Italian of its vintage. Always reminded me of a sort of large Gilburn, from the front anyway, and I always liked them too.
Looks like you're onto a winner there.
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luckygti
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Love it, always had a soft spot for these, and this looks to be a good one. It'll be interesting to see how it fairs after you've had it running for a bit, are they reliable or typically Italian?
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Clement
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Thanks!! Yeah bodywise it's actually fairly nice, lots of little things to sort but it should be doable. Tbh the more I think about it the more I want to keep the car: not only will I never find another one as good at that price, but when the most urgent stuff is sorted if I sold it I'd only make a couple hundred euros (which isn't interesting given the money invested). I have the reg application complete now so I'll send it Friday, so I'll know whether I'm outta trouble with that sometime next week.
Luckygti: pre-1985 cars are said to be terrible (camshaft seizing leading to mashed valves, fuel vapour lock when warm, etc). Pre-1988 are better sorted, and post-1988 all have fuel injection and intercoolers as standard so are a lot more useable. The 222 is indeed a Biturbo SI slightly redesigned, which is imho the best model. If I keep the car and make it my own, it might lose the boot spoiler and two-toned with the dark grey on the lower part of the body...
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79cord
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I'd think you'd be itching to remove the rear spoiler after seeing the water it captured on the boot lid, even if it wasn't the cause of the water inside... Though the single colour doesn't look as dated as the two-tone.
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Last Edit: May 7, 2014 11:21:29 GMT by 79cord
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Clement
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There are holes to let the water out, but they're currently blocked by moss and stuff. Good news! I also received some second-hand seatbelts, which means I have pretty much everything I need in order to put it back on the road. Maybe next week-end!
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Clement
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With hindsight, that last sentence was a fairly good, if bitter, joke. Returned to the car yesterday to do some work (just getting the Giulia running to get there took me 3hrs), and not only did I not manage to do anything, I actually ruined one of the second-hand rear seatbelts I bought. I couldn't bleed the clutch properly after a few attempts, I think the master cylinder is damaged as well. Good thing that I have a new one then, if only it were the right kind. The one on my car looks like this: The one I have bought is this one: Now, if I could use the piston & seals from the second one on the first that'd be wonderful but I'm not holding my breath. Anyone knows about this? Also, has anyone ever changed the seals on a clutch m/c without taking it off the car? It would be a right pain to do that, and the access from within the car is alright. Maybe I could just whip the throttle "stick" off, take the piston out and put it back in when done. Am I dreaming here? Other thins I need to take care of: - broken plastic airbox (no bits missing, some glue should sort it out) - sticky brakes calipers (apparently the same as an E34 BMW, might get some recon kit - boot locking mechanism not working (it did when I bought the car) - central locking not working (IDWIBTC) - driver door handle not working (IDWIBTC) - fuel lines leaking at the back - etc I wanted to open the seatbelt reel to know why the inertia thing was not letting go of the belt, and the spring nicely popped out in my hand throwing its cover away as well as the screws. It's completely impossible to put it back in, it seems. I really need to get a whole week-end's work done on the car. At least it now moves under its own steam, the clutch disengaging just enough to get a gear in but with the biting point very very low. I did drive the car for about 300ft, it sounds really cool but there's play in the steering and the windscreen is horribly filthy. It was quite a suicidal move to buy the Maserati, I now know this fully. I'm stuck with it now though, so I just have to make it work. It might take a while.
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Clement
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Emdee has committed this photoshop: Whilst not representative of any definite future plans for the car, it's better than anything I've seen on a Biturbo... I should print it out as a poster, I still don't realise I've bought this car tbh. And I hate to think of all the work required to make it look that good!
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boxerman
Europe
I simply love Alfa boxers
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I have had quite a lot of old alfa's, and also have had some problems bleeding the clutch after fitting a new slavecilinder.
you could help it by pushing the rod on the slavecilinder in and then open the bleedvalve, close the valve en release the rod. Repeat that until you can't push the rod back in by hand anymore, then continue bleeding by pushing the pedal. that way it's easier to fill the new cilinder with fluid. otherwise it's sometimes impossible to fill the cilinder. I experienced the biggest challenge with my 75 1.8 Turbo, the only way to fill the slavecilinder was by helping it by hand from underneath the car. clutch mastercilinders are likely to fail right after replacing a clutchcilinder if bleeding it was tried by the pedal, because over the years a small ridge will form in the mastercilinder at the end of the pistontravel in normal use, when bleeding the clutchsystem by the pedal, you will force the piston in the mastercilinder beyond this ridge and the seal will break and start leaking. the only way to avoid this is how i tried to describe above I hope it makes a bit of sense to you, excuse my poor english
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PSST, I know my english is bad, but why don't yo try talking Dutch
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The slave cylinders on these are flipping impossible to get at, well done on changing it!!!
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Clement
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Xbollox> I'm honoured actually, once you resort to getting the airbox out and all its fittings, it's quite quick (I had to get it out again because I hadn't tightened the banjo union enough). It might be different on carbed cars though! Boxerman> I've had the exact same advice given to me on a Maserati forum, and indeed it changed the outcome a fair bit! Without pushing the rod back it was just pushing liquid, but after trying it your way quite a lot of air came out. I have to admit I didn't keep bleeding the s/c for a long time though! What makes me think that the m/c is dead is that the pedal was feeling quite firm for a bit, then slowly reverted back to floppy. I can't be 100% sure, but it doesn't look good and has most likely spent a fair bit of time without brake fluid in it.
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maf260
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Clement, you may already be aware of this - there is a Maserati parts specialist in the UK called David Askew: www.davidaskew.co.uk David dismantles all ages of Maserati and has loads of spares for most models - he used to specialise in the early bi-turbo models. He can also access some new/rare parts if used ones aren't available. He's a very knowledgable guy as he's been dismantling these cars for years. Worth knowing about if you ever get stuck.
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Clement
Europe
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Jun 14, 2014 14:08:55 GMT
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As the title says really. The Préfecture refused to issue the reg documents because the name of the owner on the bill of sale isn't the same as the name on the other Italian documents. The last Italian owner never bothered to actually get the car registered to his name (he was a mechanic, perhaps he was used not to do it, it's stupid nontheless).
Either we manage to find the Italian owner (whose name are on the Italian reg documents) before the last and have him agree to sign a new bill of sale directly to the guy who's selling the car to me, or the car gets sold as a parts car.
I'm quite gutted, especially since the week-end after my training course ends in September, Maserati is holding a centenary event. I'd have wanted to drive the car there, but I'd be surprised if I can.
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Jun 14, 2014 14:46:06 GMT
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Hi, I lived and worked in Italy for a few years and anything to do with cars in that country is a friggin' nightmare. It doesn't surprise me that you have fallen foul of the antiquated system over there. I remember importing my car into Italy and it took so many trips back and forth to about twenty different 'official' auto offices it nearly drove me around the bend! So many friggin' people involved you wouldn't believe, one guy says one thing another says this or that, you just don't know who to believe! Anyway good luck in your 'missione imposibile' and 'forza inghilterra' per sta sera! Ciao ;-)
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stealthstylz
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1989 Maserati 222 stealthstylz
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Jun 14, 2014 15:14:08 GMT
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If all else fails could you not buy a hanging registered one and somehow by accident the chassis number and registration plates end up on your car?
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Dez
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Jun 14, 2014 15:19:32 GMT
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surely would be easier to reg it in the uk as you can do that with pretty much no paperwork as its an EU car( especially at the minute as they're doing everything by mail with no inspections since they shut the local offices), then 'export' it?
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Last Edit: Jun 14, 2014 15:20:49 GMT by Dez
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Clement
Europe
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Jun 14, 2014 15:30:43 GMT
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Charlie> thanks for the support, although I'm well past the anxiety phase by now if it works out well, then all good. If it doesn't, I'll make the best of it and swallow my pride! Stealthstylz> Sorry but I can't see myself owning (and driving, and selling) the car by any means other than strictly legal... it's nice to give me ideas though Dez> I've actually been thinking about getting it to another country and back to France, I was thinking Belgium or the UK. I didn't really know whether the rules over the Channel were too strict or not, it's good to see I might have another way out if all else fails!
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Jun 14, 2014 15:57:46 GMT
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Dez' idea is defo doable, sounds like a good idea
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Jun 14, 2014 16:23:08 GMT
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What Dez said.
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Jun 14, 2014 16:38:41 GMT
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The reason why they don't get the car registered in their name is because it cost about €350 to transfer the documents and as I said before all the red tape involved, nothing like as easy in the UK with our tear out strip on tbe V5. If I understand correctly you have bought a car from a second unofficial owner who in effect does not actually legally own the car in Italian law. Unless you find the original owner and buy the car and correct documention from him, he is still the legal owner of the car in Italy and there would be no way to register the car here in your name as you do not legally own the car here or in Italy. Sorry if that sounds harsh but the car is still registered to an Italian owner whom you have no contact with.
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