FOAD
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Sept 12, 2014 7:12:41 GMT
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1981 Vauxhall Chevette 1984 Mercedes S123 230TE 1988 Peugeot 305 GR 1988 Hyundai Stellar 1992 Subaru MV BRAT 1992 Peugeot 205 D-turbo 2004 Ford Ranger retroshite.wordpress.com/
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8tee8
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Sept 12, 2014 18:27:55 GMT
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Cheers, but thats not my sig lol I'm not sure, but they seem to be the best built Mercs you can get. I think the main area of concern with them is rust. And the biodegradeable Loom of Doom. Fitted from 93 onwards IIRC If you do look at a W124, have a good look underneath. Rear ARB mounts rot out and are a world of pain to sort, as can front spring mounts. I bought one unseen and was stung come MOT time with a rotten ARB mount; the car was otherwise very solid underneath and on the body. They are wonderfully stately motors to waft around in though. The 3 litre diesel and auto box is the smoothest drivetrain I've ever encountered
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Sept 15, 2014 20:48:10 GMT
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Joem - thanks, I will take a look. The merc in your sig looks lovely. But would I be asking for trouble with a cheap w124?? If it seems to be alright mechanically it probably is. Engines are generally bombproof except for headgasket (pretty much the case with any iron block alloy head engine) The late models with the EFI have biodegradable engine compartment wiring looms that, well, biodegrade. Earlier cars with KE-Jetronic don't have the wiring loom issue. They're pretty simple beasts to work on. That said, W124 estates, like coupes appear to be going up in value. Get a decent one, take care of it and you probably won't lose money on it.
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Last Edit: Sept 15, 2014 20:54:16 GMT by mrabody
1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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Sept 15, 2014 22:21:54 GMT
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Forester in a more realistic price range: Japanese cars are awesome, if you haven't had one then you owe it to yourself! Also, if you are looking into the more retro side of things, there are a lot of choices, but they might be a bit thin on the ground in the UK! My mate bought one in this colour for £900 to tow a horsebox. It's a Turbo S model and absolutely flies. Great car for the money but parts are expensive.
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hallsy
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Sept 16, 2014 21:42:05 GMT
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Thanks for the comments chaps.
I had heard about w124 loom issues. Are they repairable or is it a case of replacing the complete loom?
Still waiting to sell my 944 first, but will then have the tough decision of charismatic, interesting retro, or slightly more modern, comfy, quick Saab 9-5 aero.
Although I was really lusting over another 850 again the other day, but I have already had a couple. Cool cars, good spec and good value though.
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Sept 16, 2014 22:00:20 GMT
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Thanks for the comments chaps. I had heard about w124 loom issues. Are they repairable or is it a case of replacing the complete loom? Still waiting to sell my 944 first, but will then have the tough decision of charismatic, interesting retro, or slightly more modern, comfy, quick Saab 9-5 aero. Although I was really lusting over another 850 again the other day, but I have already had a couple. Cool cars, good spec and good value though. If it's an earlier W124 the loom should be fine. It affects all Mercs with EFI from about 1993-4 to about 1997 or so. I know someone who actually took apart the loom for his R129, tea ed every wire and cut out and replaced the rotten bits. Or you can buy a replacement loom from Mercedes for £500 or thereabouts. If you are looking at a late W124 which may have been affected by this you can always ask if the loom has been replaced or check the service history.
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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drpete
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Sept 17, 2014 11:11:05 GMT
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mine lol Toyota corolla 4x4 estate its cheap and very rare
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Jez
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Sept 17, 2014 11:35:44 GMT
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There is a school of thought that suggests any late W124 still running must have had the loom replace by now or else it wouldn't still be running.
I think it only affects the E280 / E320 six-pot M104 engines, and not the E200 / E220 four-pot.
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1990 VW Golf GTI G60 2014 Skoda Octavia RS
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Sept 17, 2014 11:45:15 GMT
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Volvo 850R
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hallsy
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Sept 17, 2014 22:10:37 GMT
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Lovely!! I wish I still had my old one!!
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Sept 19, 2014 7:10:02 GMT
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Sept 21, 2014 8:36:42 GMT
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There is a school of thought that suggests any late W124 still running must have had the loom replace by now or else it wouldn't still be running. I think it only affects the E280 / E320 six-pot M104 engines, and not the E200 / E220 four-pot. M111 16v 2.0/2.2's just as susceptible unfortunately, both my E220 coupe and the donor E200 saloon that gave up its lump for my 200TE suffered. Fortunately previous owner had sorted it before I bought them! You won't get a more stylish estate than the S124 - granted it won't handle all that well (think wafty barge rather than B-road blaster) and unless you bag a 300TE-24 they're not all that quick but they are wonderful old barges. On the other hand, sensible money says Legacy or Forester of some sort - well-specced farm appliances and tough enough to survive just about anything.
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Sept 21, 2014 9:00:41 GMT
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If you can find a decent one (they are getting quite rare now) then the Peugeot 405 is a great estate car. I've had 3 of them and I wish I still had. At 15 years old it was a much nicer car than the 12 month old Zafira we now have This was one of mine.
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Sept 21, 2014 11:37:44 GMT
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But would I be asking for trouble with a cheap w124?? Yes! They are too complicated as a cheap runaround... Missbehaving KE-jetronics (can be VERY frustrating and expensive in both money & time to fix!). 4V engines have the allready mentioned bl00dy expensive wiring loom. Very expensive & troublesome ignition parts (with aftermarket quality issues), myriads of rotten hydraulic lines, serious structural rott and a complicated multi-link rear suspension. I'd stay the fvck away from a cheap gasoline powered wagon!! The probability of buying a money pit that leaves you frustrated is rather high... As much as I ike them - I would not buy another. Don't ride on the current W124 hype-train - they are way overrated. If you need a rust guide; here's one I wrote: jan-wulf.de/?p=7536
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Sept 21, 2014 17:40:20 GMT
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But would I be asking for trouble with a cheap w124?? Yes! They are too complicated as a cheap runaround... Missbehaving KE-jetronics (can be VERY frustrating and expensive in both money & time to fix!). 4V engines have the allready mentioned bl00dy expensive wiring loom. Very expensive & troublesome ignition parts (with aftermarket quality issues), myriads of rotten hydraulic lines, serious structural rott and a complicated multi-link rear suspension. I'd stay the fvck away from a cheap gasoline powered wagon!! The probability of buying a money pit that leaves you frustrated is rather high... As much as I ike them - I would not buy another. Don't ride on the current W124 hype-train - they are way overrated. If you need a rust guide; here's one I wrote: jan-wulf.de/?p=7536Great! I just acquired this after the previous owner gave up trying to cure the very intermittent misfire: It only does it when out for a very long run, presumably due to heat build up under the bonnet The PO replaced the wiring loom, ECU, coil packs, plugs and leads and OVP to no avail. Any ideas?? Supercharger and MegaSquirt? Derv conversion? Match and petrol?
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Sept 21, 2014 17:55:11 GMT
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Has the coil & throttle body wiring loom been replaced as well? They'r separate to the engine wiring loom IIRC.
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Sept 21, 2014 18:31:35 GMT
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Has the coil & throttle body wiring loom been replaced as well? They'r separate to the engine wiring loom IIRC. I'll need to check, thanks for that :-) You've just reminded me it had a new throttle body too...
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Sept 21, 2014 18:48:56 GMT
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That leaves the ignition loom. And of course hard to trace "standard" issues like air leaks etc. This all sounds like unsystematic throwing of parts... Maybe rading out errors can give a hint. But mind, they don't have OBD yet Try Mercedes. But ask for the price first
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Sept 21, 2014 22:59:22 GMT
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Thanks TDW, I'll have a good look round the car and start a Readers Rides thread (hopefully) or a Tech thread... Back to the subject in hand, I very regret selling this and would highly recommend as a Retro estate! 318i. Nearly unburstable, drove like a brand new car and did about 40 mpg on a run!
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Last Edit: Sept 21, 2014 23:42:35 GMT by althebass: Spellz
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camper damper
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Another car bites the dust
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Sept 21, 2014 23:30:21 GMT
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Not sure how common AE100 Toyota Corolla G-Touring are in the UK as I have never seen another one on the road in Ireland bar mine and you get a lot of kit for what they are mine as all around electric windows, electric folding and adjustable mirrors, A/C, Central locking, and much more they even have a nice rev happy engine with a nice bit of pulling power to. The boot space is big I carry around a wheelchair and a dog in the boot
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