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Sept 18, 2009 17:32:55 GMT
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:)Retro Rides is great, so don't think I'm complaining about the forum. I just feel I need to ask something.....why, why, why do some people start threads saying "I know this will end in the whinge bin"? If you know it's going to be binned then WTF is the point? Doesn't annoy me, just makes me laugh TBH!
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Sept 18, 2009 19:32:43 GMT
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:)Retro Rides is great, so don't think I'm complaining about the forum. I just feel I need to ask something.....why, why, why do some people start threads saying "I know this will end in the whinge bin"? If you know it's going to be binned then WTF is the point? Doesn't annoy me, just makes me laugh TBH! LOL, glad it´s not only me then
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Rob M
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WTF is the point? LOLRob M
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Sept 18, 2009 19:35:52 GMT
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Possibly out of exasperation? Most of the whinge bin threads probably deserve to be there, at least they remain part of the forum and allow other members of the "community" to participate, should they so wish. The current one in danger of ending there ought to be kept out, Its about classics and is slightly more interesting ( and i say this with the utmost respect) than Truck Sides, Skoda Superbs, Staff writer ads and Tool chests. Thats the nature of the beast, some threads are Retro related and get binned and some have fook all to do with them but stay. I doubt if Fred Transit is totally alone in her thoughts, there is a perception at times that the moderating is, shall we say, a bit Anal. The simple answer is if you don't like the way the Pub is run, go to another boozer, there are loads out there, howwever, if you were the Landlord of said pub you would have to ask why you had a dissatisfied customer(s) Who'd be a mod!
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WTF is the point? LOLBenzBoy
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Sept 18, 2009 23:37:14 GMT
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Shouldn't you have started this post with "I know this will end in the whinge bin" Dave?! ;D It is daft though. I just don't reply in those sorta posts if I can help it, and try to bump something cool up the board to redress the balance, or find something cool myself to post up.
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Sept 19, 2009 5:39:21 GMT
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The problem is that we´re only as good as the posts that everyone puts up. Some are fantastic and duly bookmarked, the majority are good and worth a read, some are borderline which i normally read to but don´t comment on and a small minority are whinge binned/locked. If we (mods) deleted all the borderline stuff we´d be accused of over moderating (and to be honest we´ve got better things to do anyway) and if we let things run get abuse for not doing anything.... Unfortunately it doesn´t matter what we do you can´t keep all the people happy (8800 members last time i looked) all the time and as quite rightly said - if you don´t like the way this forum is run then just move on.... Bentboys´ attitude is the right way of handling it, just ignore the lousy threads (they´ll sink off the bottom pretty rapidly as long as you don´t post in them) and post up something interesting...... ....oh and as this thread has got absolutely naff all to do with interesting modified classic cars it´s shelf life is very limited! ;D
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Sept 19, 2009 7:12:17 GMT
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....oh and as this thread has got absolutely naff all to do with interesting modified classic cars it´s shelf life is very limited! ;D ;)That's why I posted here instead of in general.
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stealthstylz
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WTF is the point? LOLstealthstylz
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Sept 23, 2009 17:38:21 GMT
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LOL @ Bentboy.
I agree. I once wrote out a post with that exact line at the start, then just before posting it decided to click the red X and leave it.
Matt
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Sept 24, 2009 7:03:29 GMT
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if you were the Landlord of said pub you would have to ask why you had a dissatisfied customer(s) My answer would be that they are probably in the wrong pub I think a lot of the time people don't think before hitting the post button, I know I've written out whole diatribes about something, read it back.. and then just closed the window and not posted it, a lot of the time people don't read their own stuff back I think... even better they should read it out loud
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Rob M
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WTF is the point? LOLRob M
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Sept 25, 2009 16:22:32 GMT
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if you were the Landlord of said pub you would have to ask why you had a dissatisfied customer(s) My answer would be that they are probably in the wrong pub I think a lot of the time people don't think before hitting the post button, I know I've written out whole diatribes about something, read it back.. and then just closed the window and not posted it, a lot of the time people don't read their own stuff back I think... even better they should read it out loud Oh, I totally agree with you regarding the read it through bit before you post, Ive probably thrown more posts in the bin doing that than Ive actually posted. I think the point I was trying to get across is the perception that a post, Retro related, can get binned when, at times there is a whole plethora of posts that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Retro ethos staying loud and proud on the main forum. I understand the neccessity to keep the ship watertight and I wouldnt be a mod in a month of Sundays, I don't think people understand just how much time you can spend doing things instead of actually enjoying the forum you are part of. I sort of liken it to a Football Match steward, free admission, probably loves footie but has to spend 90mins with his back to the pitch! Perhaps instead of having the "whinge bin" you just have it renamed to, er... "bin?" At least anything that is non retro related can be shoved into it? Hey, I'm not knocking things, Its a great forum, just a pity some people feel that they are self appointed mods and spend too long tut tutting about content and " that shouldnt be on here" codswallop. I understand your take on the pub analogy. What i will say in closing is that there seems to be a few "good drinkers" who now spend more time in the boozer down the road than they do here. Thats a pity.
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Complaint about whinge bin, ends up as whinge bin material!
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Oct 20, 2009 10:02:18 GMT
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Considering this has survived a month there must be something about where it is. I was looking for an answer to a forum question (which I will post in a new thread) and cam across this. A few things I would like to add......
You can't 'contribute' to anything in the whinge bin, all threads there are locked.
Just how many of the 8000+ members are contributing?
How many of the 8000+ members have been put off by policies, but didn't even bother to comment, they just leave?
If you parallel a forum with a Pub, which is a business, all businesses need turnover. Only relying on regulars means that, should those regulars not come back for whatever reason, you loose a big slice of business.
It's simple to say if you don't like it, leave. That's fine if I come into your house and call you fat and kick your cat. This and other forums are set up with the intention to invite total strangers in, form all walks of life and indeed all parts of the world. If you can't accept that even as grown ups those total strangers won't always get on, the real question is why start it in the first place?
Also, I stick around because some people on here need help. Have to say though I am not on here as much as other forums due to restrictive policies.
lastly, this is the only forum I am a member of that has a whinge bin. I have no idea what the point of it is.
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Oct 20, 2009 13:32:36 GMT
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lastly, this is the only forum I am a member of that has a whinge bin. I have no idea what the point of it is. So that this forum does not turn into this forum (much as I enjoy VZi, there is no need to replicate it elsewhere). Furthermore I run this forum how I see fit, when you run a forum you run it how you see fit. There are many many forums in the world and they are all run in a different way. Maybe I could go for a completely open and anything goes policy,.. but we already have /b/ on 4chan.org (you might not want to go and see what the result of freedom is). As for people leaving, they are free too.. there is no compulsion for you to like this forum. As Bill Cosby once said "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody" I'm not interested in more users, or more posts,.. I'm interested in quality and interesting things... if there were ten members on this forum posting up interesting things, I'd be massively happy. I've pointed out before that I'm sure you won't find many other forums run this way,.. but then that is what makes this place different, if it works for you that is great,.. if it doesn't go somewhere you are more comfortable. The problem is that people see this forum and want to turn it into what they want to talk about, but if you want to do that, go start your own forum,.. spend 5 years working hard constantly on it and then you can come speak to me about how to run an active forum. By active I don't mean 9,000 accounts as that means nothing... I mean "5 Staff Members, 952 Members, 3,311 Guests" thats 952 active registered users a day... 150,000 visits a month (and rising)...
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Oct 20, 2009 13:58:53 GMT
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I am pleasantly surprised to still see the reply box at the bottom of this thread. Well done for not just locking it. Odd you should only choose to quote my last point though.
There is no reason to think that allowing members (notice I said members, as in people who join in with a forum) to voice an opinion will mean anarchy will ensue. Most forum members are grown up enough to accept others have differing opinions. OK if it descends into a virtual punch up then fair enough, delete or discipline the ones doing the offensive behaviour. I do run my own forum thank you, OK it does not have 3000 members, but I think you will find it only takes two or three people to make trouble, not thousands.
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Oct 20, 2009 14:45:28 GMT
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I am pleasantly surprised to still see the reply box at the bottom of this thread. Well done for not just locking it. Odd you should only choose to quote my last point though. I have no issue debating this stuff with people as long as it isn't in the main forum,.. that is about cars afterall. I'll lock debates when they have run their course or if they start getting into he said/she said arguments or if they go round in circles. There is no reason to think that allowing members (notice I said members, as in people who join in with a forum) to voice an opinion will mean anarchy will ensue. Most forum members are grown up enough to accept others have differing opinions. OK if it descends into a virtual punch up then fair enough, delete or discipline the ones doing the offensive behaviour. I do run my own forum thank you, OK it does not have 3000 members, but I think you will find it only takes two or three people to make trouble, not thousands. The fact you believe this shows that the modest team of moderators we have here are doing a sterling job. Even with the way the forum is run we have to delete and lock threads on a daily basis, of the near 3,000 PMs I've had over the past 6 months at least 2/3rds are complaints about threads, posts or members. There are two options really, open out the forum to let people post what they want and then have an army of moderators, or keep it focussed on the topic at hand but build some community rules around it. I've chosen the latter option as I believe it works better. In the entire history of this forum we have only ever had to ban 5 people (plus some spam bots), which shows how strong the community is and how clearly people can decide if this is the place for them or not. We've had ups and downs, but I still believe this is the best forum of its type on the internet right now, and it will get better.
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Oct 20, 2009 22:18:21 GMT
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Sorry but nothing to do with how well mods are doing their jobs, I believe the majority of members on here and the other forums I am a member, mod and admin of are not out to make trouble, yes there will always be trouble makers, but it's a fine line between policing and putting genuine contributing members off. Surely you must see that?
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Yes.. but this is a car forum,.. for old modified cars,.. not a forum for talking about police, chavs, how bad your day was, what you had for dinner, why your cat is hilarious. There are a million other places to talk about that. We have a focus and I want that focus kept.
If you want to talk about modified classic cars, you are in the right place. If you want to complain about the DVLA, the police or whatever else, you aren't .. go to pistonheads..
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every moderated forum I am a member of has people complaining about the moderation. 'tis the way of life. I've left forums before because of undermoderation, I don't think I've left one because of overmoderation. Although the curious mix of both on the HAMB has put me off ever contributing there...
I also don't see the point of the winge bin. it kinda holds up the stuff which is junk as somehow "special" and when you go in General its one of the first things you see. Promoting the negative! Also half the time curiosity gets the better of me and I go read stuff in the bin to see what it was about!
Personally, I'd just lock stuff which is OT/garbage and let it sink, which is what happens to some threads (the "why did my classified ad get deleted" stuff and the like)
Just my 2p
I don't think the bin adds anything positive.
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Last Edit: Oct 21, 2009 7:09:46 GMT by akku
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Oct 21, 2009 18:57:23 GMT
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Actually, there is only one other forum I am on that I would complain about the moderation. The other 6 are just fine. That's a good and fair ratio I think.
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Oct 21, 2009 19:41:50 GMT
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yes but others complain this place is under moderated, others complain it is over moderated. What makes you more right than them?
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Oct 21, 2009 20:06:59 GMT
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What makes them less right than me?
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