jaypea
Part of things
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Jan 27, 2015 19:07:50 GMT
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I'm 22 and drive a 36 year old Fiesta, having spent my entire life around classics/retro cars it's just normal to me. Learning in a modern tin can was quite frankly terrible, as there's just no feeling, no feedback, and the cars are so forgiving they might as well drive for you, whereas with the Fiesta I actually know what's going on and what I have to do.
I get a fair few people appreciating it when I drive about, thumbs up and good comments, but of course there's plenty of odd looks and the occasional "your car's s!#t" when I'm driving round town, from people of all ages. Sure it's slow and I don't get great mpg, but I'm enjoying myself, if there's something wrong I don't need to pay someone to attach a computer to my car, and there's always a little smug feeling whenever I drive past something modern that's broken down.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Retro The One In SeventyDez
@dez
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Jan 27, 2015 19:08:10 GMT
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theres very few people on here who truly have the choice between a £10k or £20k retro/classic car or spending the same on a new vehicle. I'm not so sure thats true, i reckon there's probably more people on here who can afford a modern car, but chose not to than you think. depends what you mean by 'afford'. 'be able to get finance on' is not the same thing as 'be afford to be able to buy outright'. theyll give pretty much anyone in employment finance on a new car these days, because its the only way they can sell them in large quantities. you can work 3 shifts a week at maccies or tesco and be eligible. yet go to see your bank manager and say 'i want to borrow £10-15k to buy a 30+ year old car in a private sale' and see how thoroughly he goes over your finances before agreeing to it, if he does at all. for someone to have £10k plus sat in the bank waiting for them to decide if they want to buy a new car or an old car is a much rarer. pretty much anyone who is savvy enough with money to have that amount sitting spare wont have it just sat in a bank account. and tbh if you go out and buy a brand new car for cash you want your bumps felt anyway.
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Jan 27, 2015 19:57:38 GMT
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Great, great comments covering both perspectives.
Let's go back to one of the R-R rules : moderns are not bad. Well, some of them are not really drivers' cars, but neither were a lot of retros when they were modern. A lot of celebrated retros were humdrum in their day : a lot of today's fodder will be celebrated retros in the future.
I could slap a wedge down in a premium dealership tomorrow, but I ask myself would it be me? I think some folk want to fit into a crowd, hence the badge snobbery. Other folks want to stand-out as an individual, so choose their ride accordingly.
Each to their own, whatever gives you driving pleasure.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:13:32 GMT
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I'm not so sure thats true, i reckon there's probably more people on here who can afford a modern car, but chose not to than you think. depends what you mean by 'afford'. 'be able to get finance on' is not the same thing as 'be afford to be able to buy outright'. theyll give pretty much anyone in employment finance on a new car these days, because its the only way they can sell them in large quantities. you can work 3 shifts a week at maccies or tesco and be eligible. yet go to see your bank manager and say 'i want to borrow £10-15k to buy a 30+ year old car in a private sale' and see how thoroughly he goes over your finances before agreeing to it, if he does at all. for someone to have £10k plus sat in the bank waiting for them to decide if they want to buy a new car or an old car is a much rarer. pretty much anyone who is savvy enough with money to have that amount sitting spare wont have it just sat in a bank account. and tbh if you go out and buy a brand new car for cash you want your bumps felt anyway. Don't think that really matters, personally never had a loan for a car but, whether you have the capital or the means to pay the monthly payments is immaterial. If you don't have 10k to hand, but can afford £300 pm on drip, then you can afford the car. Not something I would do but hey ho, plenty do.
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fred
Posted a lot
WTF has happened to all the Vennies?
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Jan 27, 2015 20:17:04 GMT
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All of the above comments - and the fact I'm a non materialistic Tight
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'79 Cossie ran Cortina - Sold
2000 Fozzer 2.0 turbo snow beast
'85 Opel Manta GSI - Sold
03 A class Mercedes
Looking for a FD Ventora - Anyone?
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bazzateer
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Imping along sans Vogue
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Jan 27, 2015 21:02:59 GMT
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Divorce, relatively recent new mortgage, child maintenance for 3 kids ................. these are some of the financial reasons for my lack of 'new' cars. But as with most others on here, I prefer the older stuff, I can work on them.
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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Jan 27, 2015 21:36:23 GMT
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I know what i like,i know what i want. But i have to have what i can afford and need.
So those cars that were new in the 80's and 90's and well out of my price range then,are now within reach,and no doubt,in ten fifteen yrs time the same could be said for todays offerings.
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Smiler
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I no longer own anything FWD! Or with less than 6 cylinders, or 2.5ltrs! :)
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Jan 27, 2015 21:46:43 GMT
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Despite being in a position to be able to afford a finance deal on a new car (as most people probably are) I have owned very few cars less than ten years old. This has been largely driven by my revulsion at the thuoght of paying out lots of money for the privalidge of watching a mediocre car devauluing on the drive and having to pay a not particularly trust-worthy garage to 'service' it or suffer even more depreciation and an inability to sell it at the end.
Work mates used to try to poke fun but soon realised just how much older car you can get for your money without the monthly expenses. Sure it's not for everyone; being handy with the spanners makes a huge difference to the state of mind, but an older Jag, BMW or Merc is not going to use £300 worth more fuel each month than the fast depreciating but more economical new Focus/Civic/307 etc...
My current daily is the Rover 75. To me it is modern but I have always admired the car for its individual styling both inside and out. It is also well engineered and is a fantastic car. It is very reliable and comfortable and extremely easy to drive. It is by no means a retro driving experience and is very easy to drive in 'auto-pilot'. What it also does well though is compliment my real retro car the Scimitar. The two cars are total opposites and it amplifies the experience between the two.
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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Jan 27, 2015 21:58:37 GMT
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I love driving old stuff, the best one I had was when a driver of an audi r8 on a dual carriageway was sneeped because people were looking at my black saph and not his flashy r8, there was a dad pointing out to his sons "what a proper car is" as he was driving giving me the thumbs up and the kids were stuck to the window with amazement then blanked the r8, made my day that did.
I usually get the "how do you afford to run these old cars, i bet the parts are expensive" I just laugh and explain that it costs less to run than the monthly payments on a new car and it can only increase in value
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2015 21:59:10 GMT by fordperv
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whysub
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I found this site purely by chance-I was looking for a cheapish auto to buy to use for a few months (bad left knee)and Google pointed me here. I looked through the cars for sale section, then, intrigued, I looked through the general section, all interesting stuff. I have owned older vehicles in the last few years-a 190E that made way for a VW T4 along with a LS400 that were sold to part finance my current VW T5. This I primarily use to move my motorbikes around in, and I have modified it somewhat over the last three years,
So from this forum I got interested in older cars, and that led me on to older Mercs, W124's in particular. Which is why I ended up with a 300E rather than some bland automatic hatchback. It was very (very) cheap, and in great condition. Friends are taken aback that "for an old car" it has no rust, and that it has full leather interior, air con, electric window, roof and arial. Or how cheap it is to insure
The T5 will stay as it has a distinct role in my life, but I love driving the Merc, and plan to keep it long after my knee is better. It has all the modern toys I like to have, no worse off than the pool cars I get to drive at work (BMW's Audi's, GTi's and RS's), just a little slower. But speed is never what having a W1214 is all about.
As I said I have a some motorbikes, but a 26 year old motorbike does nothing for me-give me a modern 1000cc sports bike any day of the week.
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FOAD
Scotland
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I'm into old cars partly because I'm poor, if I set a budget of £500 and browse Gumtree I can usually find something that meets my retro needs. Everyone I work with sees old cars as bangers, they seem to think that anything with 100k miles on it is past it and will be scrapped soon. I'm also surprised at the amount of people that think my cars are tax exempt because they are like 20 years old. I do enjoy the feeling of rolling around in an interesting car, my proton mpi is hardly retro but it being dated and rare it stands out. My jumbuck is 10 years old, its based on a mid 90s colt/lancer so does still stand out compared to cars the same age. The jumbuck is the newest car I'll own, there just aren't any post 2000 cars that really tick any boxes for me. My parents thought I was a reverse car snob, the crapper it looks the more I like it, I'm just not ashamed to run around in roller painted tat. I did change my parents perceptions of old cars when I turned up in a 1995 Toyota camry, I ended up giving the car to my dad as he loved it as soon as he saw it. He doesn't seem embarrassed to go out anywhere in it but that's possibly down to the fact it's still modern looking, well specd and blends in.
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1981 Vauxhall Chevette 1984 Mercedes S123 230TE 1988 Peugeot 305 GR 1988 Hyundai Stellar 1992 Subaru MV BRAT 1992 Peugeot 205 D-turbo 2004 Ford Ranger retroshite.wordpress.com/
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Interesting points being made here and echoed something which they talked about on top gear, yeah l know but bear with me for a mo, they had the new lambo something or other and while they said it was an amazing car it was faster handled better etc it had lost the lambo magic, in essence a lambo should try to kill you!! and you should feel you are driving the car not playing a play station!
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Jan 28, 2015 17:26:06 GMT
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Well I'm s*** scared of big debts so, excepting a sudden unexpected inheritance, I'll probably never own a new car anyway but I understand how one can get used to modern conveniences that you never thought you wanted. I drive a modern-ish (10 year) old car and obviously I could easily live without a heated windscreen, electric mirrors and windows etc but it does make normal type driving just that little bit easier.
I's odd though that mainstream people like and prefer some things to be old but not others. I mean most people want an older house than a modern built one, and old furniture and art have always been popular, but other stuff like cars and electricals, people generally assume latest is best. Of course lots of people just aren't car people and can't get the idea that anyone would go out of their way to drive something different anyway.
Other things where newest definitely is best:- Food. Underwear. Calenders.
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Jan 28, 2015 17:31:51 GMT
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I've got a modern car, it is awesome.
I've also got an old car, it is also awesome.
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Jan 28, 2015 17:43:08 GMT
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I think the biggest killer with 'modern' cars is going to be electrical faults when they start getting 'old' .
My 03 plate 406 is having electrical issues at the moment,and its doing my head in ....
But then again i like the 'modern' electrical connections .... I'm sure we can all remember uninsulated spade terminals that kept coming adrift, unsleeved wiring round the engine block etc etc.
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Jan 28, 2015 18:00:37 GMT
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Personally I have nothing against modern vehicles, I just never wanted one! Now i'm older I've developed a distaste for anything that needs to be plugged into a computer to fault find, rather than being able to sort it yourself. I also don't do finance/ credit/ mortgages everything is bought and paid for so having a car on lease hire at xxx a month would drive me silly. I also think its the cars you liked whilst you were in your teens that most people would like to own once they have the money, hence me wanting a bubble arched mk1 escort......
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whysub
Part of things
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Jan 28, 2015 19:35:08 GMT
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I think the biggest killer with 'modern' cars is going to be electrical faults when they start getting 'old' . My 03 plate 406 is having electrical issues at the moment,and its doing my head in .... But then again i like the 'modern' electrical connections .... I'm sure we can all remember uninsulated spade terminals that kept coming adrift, unsleeved wiring round the engine block etc etc. Totally agree. My VW T5's battery died, so the RAC jump started it for me so i could get another. Noticed then that h the speedo stopped working, fuel gauge went haywire and the ABS and ESP stopped working. What i didn't know (then) was that T5's can blow an ECU by jump sterting. An £800 lesson learnt!
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Jan 28, 2015 20:46:37 GMT
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I've got a modern car, it is awesome. I've also got an old car, it is also awesome. Well said, that's the thing. There are some very boring modern cars & some very boring retro cars. Equally the same for awesome cars. I have a modern car, it's this It is awesome, I had a 5 series before this & whilst a great car (possibly) boooooooring. So you can have the modern & it not be sterile
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bazzateer
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Imping along sans Vogue
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Jan 28, 2015 20:51:42 GMT
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I bit you were pee'd off when someone threw yellow paint over that lovely bonnet (sorry............'hood').
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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Jan 28, 2015 20:53:20 GMT
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Vinyl, just pull em' off when your bored of em'
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2015 20:54:09 GMT by jules1200
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